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 Post subject: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 12:36 am 
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Hi all.
Is this a G.E cathedral?
If so, what model is it?
What's missing around the dial knob?
Are the knobs the original ones?
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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 12:40 am 
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Do you have any photos of the back, and the chassis?

I don't see anything missing around the dial knob other than the finish, which has been worn off after years of use showing the bare wood underneath it. I believe the finish on this cabinet has deteriorated and has a cloudy appearance with a greenish tinge to it, which was not originally like that.

Doesn't look like a GE to me. Looks a lot like a Morse set I had which was built by Detrola, but they used surplus cabinets so there could be several other brands that had the same cabinet.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 1:01 am 
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The picture of the back is not that great.I hope you can see something.
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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 1:05 am 
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The Rola speaker and red patent plate were both used by Detrola back at that time around 1933-34. That also looks like a familiar layout for a Detrola chassis including the one small round coil shield.

If you could get a clear readable closeup of the red patent plate, we might know for sure whether it is a Detrola built radio or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 2:03 am 
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The knobs say DeWald to me, and RadioMuseum does show some similar DeWald radios.

http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/dewald_unknown_luxor.html
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/dewald_740.html


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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
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Looks like the cabinet was originally designed for a much larger chassis. You can see the two unused chassis anchor holes at the rear of the base board. I believe that is a factory set in which whoever made this model used either thier own surplus cabinets or someone else's. You can see that the dial just barely fits within the cut out area. Interesting that there's no brand name on that ultra generic dial escutcheon.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 4:46 pm 
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Thanks for your input.
There is a tag in back of the chassis that has G.E. serial # D13826.
The Rola speaker says F5 Series.
No other markings.
I hope this helps.
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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 4:57 pm 
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Get us a good readable picture of that red tag. I don't think it says the radio is a GE, rather it says in very tiny print something like "licensed under patents of" then in larger print "GE, RCA, Westinghouse, etc" which is always proof the radio wasn't manufactured by any of those names listed on the plate.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
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I agree, even though the tag may mention GE, I think your misinterpreting the information that's printed on that tag. We'll need to see a clear, crisp, closeup of that tag. I believe the actual manufacturer's ID is on that tag.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 5:09 pm 
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You were right.
Here is a photo of the tag.
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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 5:15 pm 
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Yes, that's exactly what we were expecting to see.

In fine print at the bottom, it says made by D.R. Co, Detroit, which is Detrola.

Unfortunately you will never know exactly what brand name it had when it was sold, but it definitely wasn't sold under the Detrola brand or that would have been stamped into the dial escutcheon.

Those knobs are generic ones, which were used by a number of manufacturers. Detrola did use that knob on some of their products around that time, so I believe they are original to your radio. I had a Westminster, and a Morse, both used that knob and had the same chassis as your set. Detrola was big on buying dozens or hundreds of surplus cabinets and fitting them with chassis that were used in other models. That one is quite neatly done compared to some of the others I have seen over the years.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
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That's great, at least we now know who made the chassis. Now we need to determine what model that chassis is. Can you post the tube lineup for that chassis?

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 5:28 pm 
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I, unfortunately, don't have the radio with me and won't be able to get a chassis # or tube lineup.
The seller picked it up from an estate sale and wants $40 for it.
Based on what's known now, is it worth the $40. I don't have to have it.
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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 5:31 pm 
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Where are you going to buy an apparently complete 1933-34 cathedral radio for that price?

It's definitely worth that much, might sell unrestored at a radio show in the $60-$75 range here in the midwest, possibly for even more in other parts of the country.

If it's one you like the looks of and would keep, then $40 is a very realistic price. It would need to be refinished to look like it originally did though, since it's so badly oxidized. Obviously needs new grille cloth as well, and the usual electrical repairs starting with a recap. Hopefully there are no major component failures like a power transformer or speaker field.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
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Thank you for your help.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 5:53 pm 
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I'd say that radio is historically correct and very easily restorable. I think it was made by a small time outfit that took Detrola chassis and fitted them into surplus radio cabinets and then marketed them under no particular brand name to anybody the wanted to carry that line of radio in their stores or catalogs. It's make a great mystery radio for any collection. The finish looks to be dry but a little Old English and should rejuvenate it. It shouldn't need any refinishing.

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The grill cloth can be replaced with this reproduction grill cloth of the same design.

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Once we determine what model of chassis that is, you should be able to get the right schematic for it and be able to restore the electronics. For $40. I wouldn't even question about it, I'd just go get it. I think that would turn out to be a pretty safe purchase and if you wind up not liking it, you should have no problem reselling it at a local antique radio swap meet or maybe to someone here at ARF through the classified section.

In other words, "QUIT ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS AND JUST GO GET IT!"

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 6:02 pm 
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I'm certain that chassis was assembled into that cabinet at the Detrola factory, according to everything I was told over the years by former employees and managers while they were still alive.

I only know of a couple of instances where Detrola sold a completed chassis to an outside company for assembly into a specially made cabinet, those would be the Executive Desk Sets that were built for Chevrolet by a trophy/awards company.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sat 20, 2017 6:25 pm 
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Thanks, Michael and Dennis.
I once used on a cabinet minwax stain and that soft Feed-and-wax and got great results.
I'll try Old English scratch cover next time.
Dennis, it's good to know that the set was factory assembled by Detrola. I've looked all over and cannot find that cabinet.
Thanks for your help.

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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sun 21, 2017 2:48 pm 
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Michael, I followed your suggestion to use Old English and Feed-N-Wax on a Philco 610.
The wood looked all dried.
Not any more!
Here is a photo of it.

Carlos


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 Post subject: Re: Need help ID
PostPosted: May Sun 21, 2017 5:18 pm 
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Carlos, that's great. It looks very nice but I do need to point one thing out. My suggestion was directed at radios which still retain their original finishes, not bare wood, striped down, radios such as that Philco but for a bare wood radio, it does looks very nice.

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