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 Post subject: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 7:48 pm 
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Hey guys, I'm new here and know very little about radios.
I went over to r/VintageRadios and they told my I have either
a Belmont 638 or Belmont 6D11. We also learned that they didn't
come in red, and despite it being a very solid paint job, the original
color was probably white. I was wondering how much this could
decrease the value if I was to restore it to working condition?

Here is a link to some pics I took with my phone


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 8:08 pm 
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I don't see your link, but here's one for a Belmont 638 that went for $375.
https://radioattic.com/item.htm?radio=1230547


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 8:09 pm 
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Thanks
https://imgur.com/a/FEyeO


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 8:22 pm 
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If it is a re-paint, there will be vestiges of the earlier color in hard to strip interior corners, around the inside of the dial cover, speaker louvers, etc. Sometimes a re-paint covers broken cabinet repairs.

Consider the date of the transaction: Sold by K*****h on July 25, 2014.

Do a completed search on ebay for example: #311995236313 $99.00


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 8:34 pm 
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It's worth what someone will pay for it. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 8:39 pm 
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Art Hoch wrote:
It's worth what someone will pay for it. :roll:

That's the bottom line. Years ago customizing a set seriously hurt it's value, but today, if it's appealing and nicely done, could bring decent money. Most serious radio collectors prefer original sets or correctly restored ones though.


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 8:57 pm 
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Having it restored to working condition will not decrease it's value but will likely increase it.


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 9:36 pm 
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Is it possible that it left the factory in this color?
I know all the radios of this model that can be
found today came in white, but what my camera
can't capture is how uniform this paint job is,
especially around the buttons. I'm assuming
it's bakelite plastic? Also it seems an interesting
choice of color (classic burgundy).
I feel if some owner had repainted say sometime in
the 60s-90s they would have picked a more trendy
color from that time. I don't think I am going to
sell it, especially if I restore it. I would just like to
know it's approximate worth. Is it common to insure
an antique radio?


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 10:14 pm 
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engr2454 wrote:
Is it possible that it left the factory in this color?

... I'm assuming it's Bakelite plastic?

.. Is it common to insure an antique radio?
Take the back off and looking into the tight areas will confirm if it is a re-paint, vestiges of OEM color or fading of existing color. There should be a an OEM paper label on the bottom, if the label is not on the back or bottom then there should be a shadow or glue residue. No shadow, residue or painted interior then it's a re-paint.
Often, the model number will have an additional letter at the end for a paint code... While the back is off, heat a common pin on the stove and touch the inner lower (thick) surface of the Bakelite, if it is Bakelite there will be a strong "phenol" oder. Look around for a cabinet repair joint... Look carefully at the selector buttons, resin replacements will have a cast rather than molded look. Same for knobs.

Insure for what you paid, but if you have a deductible it may fall through. Do preserve purchase document and a photo for the insurance...

Me? The contents of my home are 50% of the cost of replacing the home in event of total loss. Theft, $500 deductible, policy is standard no add-ons...

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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 10:26 pm 
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Take the back off and looking into the tight areas will confirm...


There's a wire (I'm assuming an antenna) attached to the back I don't want
to try to disconnect until I get my friend who knows more about it, to take
a look. Right now the best I can get is a peek (see the attached link for pics).
It doesn't look white on the inside, it looks like it was red on the inside, but a heavy
amount of dust(?) (maybe something fried?). The knobs definitely don't look cast.
The tuner knob says 'Belmont' on the inside.

Thank you for the insurance advice! I'll say I paid less than $50 for this, so
this is definitely turning out to be a good investment on my part.


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 04, 2017 2:05 am 
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In a repainted condition and the work stripping back to normal is only worth $50.00. I've sold the white ones, working in clean condition for $125.00. Heres basically what you have.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1946-B ... SwhilZZkMy


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 04, 2017 4:19 am 
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It is in my opinion a paint job by an auto body professional. Don't be surprised to find a car that color someday.
Reasons I say that are 1) that any 70 year old table radio will have a blemish on it somewhere, and 2) there are known factory colors for that model, and burgundy is not one of them.
When the painter did the back edges, he sprayed into the back a little ways, normal practice.
The bottom pic shows one of the holes for the back, and I think I see dark Bakelite there, indicating a painted cabinet.

That model Belmont is known as the Rabbit, imagine a crouching rabbit viewed from the side. It is a desirable example of that era, the Machine Age, maybe? and yours looks in excellent rebuilt condition. As mentioned, new paint may conceal patches, but nothing wrong with that.


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 04, 2017 3:32 pm 
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SkyKing wrote:
I don't see your link, but here's one for a Belmont 638 that went for $375.
https://radioattic.com/item.htm?radio=1230547

Wrong. That was the asking price. Actual sale price is known only to buyer and seller. Probably less.

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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 04, 2017 9:20 pm 
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AuroraOldRadios wrote:
SkyKing wrote:
I don't see your link, but here's one for a Belmont 638 that went for $375.
https://radioattic.com/item.htm?radio=1230547

Wrong. That was the asking price. Actual sale price is known only to buyer and seller. Probably less.


OK, that's just weird. Basically it says "I listed this radio for $375 and it sold, and maybe it sold for $375 and maybe it didn't."
Are we supposed to be psychics? Why not just say what it sold for?


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 04, 2017 10:37 pm 
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A lot of people don't want to disclose what they actually paid for something, especially when they go to resell it. And sellers don't necessarily want to disclose that they sold something for considerably less than "listed" price.


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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 04, 2017 11:24 pm 
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Readers and hopeful sellers leap to the conclusion that "listing" a radio for $375 means it also sold for $375. Just like on Ebay where probably thousands of hopeful listings go unsold because the prices are too high. But still other hopeful CL sellers will say XYZ is "going" for $$$ on Ebay or Radioattic. Just ain't so.

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 Post subject: Re: How much is my radio worth?
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AuroraOldRadios wrote:
Readers and hopeful sellers leap to the conclusion that "listing" a radio for $375 means it also sold for $375. Just like on Ebay where probably thousands of hopeful listings go unsold because the prices are too high. But still other hopeful CL sellers will say XYZ is "going" for $$$ on Ebay or Radioattic. Just ain't so.

If they clicked on Advanced in Ebay listings the real world $$$ will appear. Sooo misleading to buyers when they read about items and a seller writes ," my price is lower then what other list for on Ebay." Very important to do your homework.


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