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Michael Janis
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Post subject: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Fri 17, 2012 7:31 pm |
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I am working on a Voice of Music Model 714 tape deck and noticed that the 6V6 output stage is a little different. The voice coil of the output transformer is in series with the Cathode to ground. There is also a -20v bias supply that is hooked to the control grid circuit. I have not seen this arrangement before. Can someone explain the ratianale behind this? Thanks
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dberman51
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Fri 17, 2012 7:51 pm |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 2309 Location: Boston, MA USA
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I've never seen this before but it is a way to get negative feedback into the output stage for lower distortion. The -20V supply is fixed grid bias for the output stage. Common on high-power amplifiers but uncommon with a single-ended 6V6 stage like this, which would usually use cathode bias.
-David
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azenithnut
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Fri 17, 2012 8:30 pm |
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That is an interesting and odd way to add negative feedback. Usually, its fed to the cathode of a previous amplifier stage. As they are using the cathode circuit for the NFB, they added a bias supply to properly bias the tube. Quite different -Steve
_________________ Radio Interests -Zenith -Sparton -Pre-War FM Consoles and floor models, the bigger, the better!
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radiotechnician
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 2:39 am |
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Joined: Sep Thu 23, 2010 6:37 am Posts: 3951 Location: Powell River BC
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Could you post the rest of the circuit? My TR-1 just has the 710, not the later one you have.
The 710 output stage is different in that they provide the audio current fed to the R/P head during record, as well as monitor audio, or not, so the 6V6 has to work properly over a very wide range of plate impedance .
_________________ de VE7ASO VE7ZSO Amateur Radio Literacy Club. May we help you read better. Steve Dow ve7aso@rac.ca
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Michael Janis
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 3:02 am |
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Here is the complete schematic.
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Mr. Detrola
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 3:10 am |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 18146 Location: Detroit, MI USA
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Didn't some McIntosh amplifiers in the 50's or 60's have the audio output cathodes connected to a separate winding on the output transformer as well?
_________________ Dennis
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codefox
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 3:52 am |
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Indeed, somehow my last reply got toasted. VM had some great ways to get a lot of music out of a few parts. Noted for their sturdy record changers, they also made a lot of pretty good and sturdy inexpensive record players which were much loved by kids in th 50's and 60's.
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BikenSwim
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 3:54 am |
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Joined: Oct Wed 14, 2009 6:36 am Posts: 3031 Location: New York USA
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There is another negative feedback path from the tone control through a 100K resistor to the cathode of the 12AX7. Don
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radiotechnician
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 4:42 am |
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BikenSwim wrote: There is another negative feedback path from the tone control through a 100K resistor to the cathode of the 12AX7. Don That treble control may affect the recording too. Another question, since some versions are two track stereo, is the stereo playback staggered or inline? Those VM units were popular for schools, as they could play turntables and mikes for PA. I may have a few of these machines that would have been *forgotten* were is not for the query. 
_________________ de VE7ASO VE7ZSO Amateur Radio Literacy Club. May we help you read better. Steve Dow ve7aso@rac.ca
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Tim Tress
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sun 19, 2012 3:22 am |
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I had one of those when I was a teenager! It was a pretty good unit, and built like the proverbial brick outhouse.
_________________ Tim KA3JRT
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codefox
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sun 19, 2012 5:42 pm |
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Mr. Detrola wrote: Didn't some McIntosh amplifiers in the 50's or 60's have the audio output cathodes connected to a separate winding on the output transformer as well? Sure did, and they still command a premium and sound wonderful!
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engineer
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Sun 19, 2012 6:39 pm |
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O/P tube cathode resistor (with parallel bypass cap) to ground via the OPT secondary is seen in some tube radios. The NFB achieved is quite small but, of course, free! However, if you want to add global NFB to an earlier stage, e.g. to a triode stage cathode, the OPT secondary may be wrongly phased (choose the global NFB option in this case.) Also, the global NFB negates the typical radio tone control as it's inside the NFB loop... I just take the TC out as who wants top-cut on an AM radio?! Cheers, Roger
_________________ Roger Jones, P.Eng, SMIEEE. Thornhill, Ontario Ontario Vintage Radio Assoc. http://www.ovra.ca
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Tube Radio
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Post subject: Re: V-M MODEL 714 6V6 OUTPUT STAGE Posted: Feb Wed 22, 2012 1:40 pm |
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I have a V-M 710 reel to reel and they do indeed get a lot of sound out of a single 6V6.
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