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Ed Jacobs
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Post subject: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I have Posted: Mar Sat 16, 2013 5:31 am |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 5612 Location: Portland Oregon
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It has a push pull cathode follower circuit for the output with a power transformer standing in for the output transformer . I'm really curious to see just how well this thing works. Has anyone actually put one of these together and had any success? Ed  
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battradio@
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Sat 16, 2013 7:03 am |
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Joined: Jul Fri 18, 2008 10:02 am Posts: 1372 Location: near ST Louis Mo
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The cathode follower part is a lot like a Macintosh amp circuit . Is the a parts list with the circuit , it looks like they may be using a UTC power transformer as the output transformer .
_________________ Mark
(Conti the brain damaged robot )
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Ed Jacobs
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Sat 16, 2013 7:17 am |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 5612 Location: Portland Oregon
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Sorry, the article didn't come with a parts list, just what you see from the schematic. Ed
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battradio@
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Sat 16, 2013 7:39 am |
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Joined: Jul Fri 18, 2008 10:02 am Posts: 1372 Location: near ST Louis Mo
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BigBandsMan
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Sat 16, 2013 4:13 pm |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 6022 Location: Raleigh NC USA
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Mox nix.Layouts for "novel amplifiers" abounded through the fifties as one person after another tried to reinvent the wheel. In my book, they aren't worth bothering with. None of them will generate any improvements in performance worth mentioning, even to those who fancy that their ears came from the elfin clan. KISS and save your efforts for more rewarding enterprises.  Larry
_________________ It don't make a go if it ain't got that GLOW!
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Tim Tress
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Sat 16, 2013 4:23 pm |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 5759 Location: Beaver Falls, PA. USA
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Probably the best amplifier circuit of the 1950s was the Williamson/Ultra Linear design. A lot of them were made, and they did work well. You could easily build one today, with the cost of the transformers being the major obstacle.
_________________ Tim KA3JRT
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BigBandsMan
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Sat 16, 2013 7:21 pm |
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The Williamson is no novelty circuit. It became a standard. Frankly, it became the wheel that the others were trying to re-invent.  Larry
_________________ It don't make a go if it ain't got that GLOW!
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Tim Tress
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Sun 17, 2013 3:13 am |
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Exactly my point; if you want to build a "retro" hi-fi amplifier, that is the one.
_________________ Tim KA3JRT
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Ed Jacobs
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Sun 17, 2013 6:40 pm |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 5612 Location: Portland Oregon
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The reason this one cought my eye is the use of a power transformer for the output transformer. I have a lot of power transformer iron but not output. Don't want to spend a lot for transformers. Ed
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BigBandsMan
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Mon 18, 2013 2:29 pm |
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Well then, let's cut to the chase. This circuit should work, after a fashion (don't be surprised if you discover that the predicted results are somewhat exaggerated). It'll give you sound, after a fashion. Whether or not you'll like that sound is another matter altogether, and you're the only one who can answer that question. I personally wouldn't waste my time trying to find out, because I don't like the odds I see. But those are odds from my perspective and not yours; the time and effort are yours to expend.  Larry
_________________ It don't make a go if it ain't got that GLOW!
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Dave Wise
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Thu 28, 2013 11:27 pm |
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I'm not sure they ever tried it. With more or less instant-on B+ from the 5Y3 and delayed bias from the 6X5, I'd expect a blown fuse on every power-up.
Dave
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Gary Kaufman
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Fri 29, 2013 1:33 am |
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I'd bet the 6X5 heats up faster than a 6L6, so it will likely work fine. That's unless the 6X5 shorts, which was all too common 
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Dave Wise
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Mar Fri 29, 2013 5:07 pm |
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Joined: Feb Thu 08, 2007 12:36 am Posts: 1163 Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
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You're right, I had a "short between the earphones" and forgot that the 6L6 had to warm up too! Dave
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engineer
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Apr Mon 08, 2013 9:19 pm |
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Tim Tress wrote: Exactly my point; if you want to build a "retro" hi-fi amplifier, that is the one [Williamson]. Agree... I built one last year, superb! However, you need to check the VLF stability, a congenital Williamson weakness. I put in "VLF shelf" circuits (one in each driver grid from the phase splitter) to cut the tendency to surge at one or two Hz due to the three phase leads in the design (the third one being the OPT.) Google "VLF shelf" circuit "williamson"... many hits, including from me! Cheers, Roger
_________________ Roger Jones, P.Eng, SMIEEE. Thornhill, Ontario Ontario Vintage Radio Assoc. http://www.ovra.ca
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Leigh
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Post subject: Re: This amplifier has to be one of the stranger layouts I h Posted: Apr Mon 08, 2013 10:42 pm |
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Ed Jacobs wrote: It has a push pull cathode follower circuit for the output with a power transformer for the output transformer A perfect example of why they should not allow napkins and pencils in bars. - Leigh
_________________ 73 de Leigh W3NLB http://www.AtwaterKent.info (Click on Grebe Stuff for Synchrophase info)
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