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decoflair
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Post subject: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Thu 12, 2012 1:12 pm |
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Joined: Apr Fri 03, 2009 10:32 am Posts: 1369 Location: New Rochelle, NY
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At this site I recall reading a comment in regard to grid leakage not possible with a rectifier tube. I just tested a 35W4 which registered grid leakage. The emmisions and short test registered good. Is the tube good and the grid leakage reading should be ignored? Or, should the tube be replaced? Thank you for any guidance on this issue. Greg
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codefox
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Thu 12, 2012 1:41 pm |
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Joined: Nov Sat 27, 2010 6:15 pm Posts: 3596
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35W4 has no grid. it is a rectifier.
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Lou deGonzague
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Thu 12, 2012 2:08 pm |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 6971 Location: Latham NY
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What tester are you using? There should be a section in the instructions about testing rectifiers. You can have H-K (heater to cathode) leakage in this tube.
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decoflair
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Thu 12, 2012 3:33 pm |
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Joined: Apr Fri 03, 2009 10:32 am Posts: 1369 Location: New Rochelle, NY
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Sencore TC162 Quote: What tester are you using?
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pixellany
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Thu 12, 2012 4:19 pm |
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Joined: Jul Mon 26, 2010 8:30 pm Posts: 5367 Location: Annapolis, MD
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Does the tube work in an actual radio? (This test trumps most tube testers) To understand how a tester might give a reading like that, we'd need to study the schematic and do some reverse engineering. Probably easier to ignore it..... 
_________________ "It's always something". --Gilda Radner "100%" on E-Bay is not IQ......
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decoflair
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Thu 12, 2012 5:35 pm |
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Joined: Apr Fri 03, 2009 10:32 am Posts: 1369 Location: New Rochelle, NY
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Yes, the 35W4 does work in the radio. However, because I am not sure as to the overall quality of the tube I pulled it and replaced it with a new 35W4. I will keep the 35W4 with the Grid Leakage until I can determine why it registered grid leakage. Thanks for the responses.
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Chris108
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2012 12:01 am |
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Joined: Jun Fri 19, 2009 6:34 pm Posts: 2654 Location: Long Island
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The 35W4 has no grid, hence grid leakage is impossible.
Chances are you are getting a reading from the heater tap in the tube. The chart in the tube tester might say somewhere that such indications are to be ignored.
Try testing the new tube. If it shows the same "grid leakage" when tested the same way, it's probably just the heater tap. On the other hand, if the new tube has no leakage when tested the same way, there may be some kind of crud between the pins of the "faulty" tube, internally or externally, that is causing the reading.
_________________ "Hell, there are no rules here--we're trying to accomplish something!"
Thomas A. Edison
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decoflair
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2012 10:54 am |
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Joined: Apr Fri 03, 2009 10:32 am Posts: 1369 Location: New Rochelle, NY
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Quote: Try testing the new tube. If it shows the same "grid leakage" when tested the same way, it's probably just the heater tap. The new 35W4 tube that I tested did not show grid leakage.
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pixellany
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2012 11:04 am |
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Joined: Jul Mon 26, 2010 8:30 pm Posts: 5367 Location: Annapolis, MD
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Quote: On the other hand, if the new tube has no leakage when tested the same way, there may be some kind of crud between the pins of the "faulty" tube, internally or externally, that is causing the reading. This seems like a very likely explanation......
_________________ "It's always something". --Gilda Radner "100%" on E-Bay is not IQ......
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mescalero
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2012 12:38 pm |
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Joined: Feb Thu 24, 2011 1:29 am Posts: 2800 Location: Dallas, TX - in the city but with bobcats and coyotes
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Sencore testers are notorious for having a sensitive leakage test. I will typically "wash" the base of tubes that indicate leakage with alcohol, acetone, or even a shot of automotive brake cleaner (outside!). I do not use soap. Soaps can act as a surfactant and cause leakage. Hint: I especially try to avoid getting soap residue on CRT tubes and high voltage circuits. 
_________________ In a triode, no one can hear you screen.
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Lou deGonzague
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2012 12:51 pm |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 6971 Location: Latham NY
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I don't think so, I think it's the H-K leakage it is showing. Take a 100K resistor and place one end in the pin 7 (cathode) socket and probe the other to the heater pins 4,6 or 3. Of course you set up the tester for 35W4 with no tube inserted. You will see the leakage show up. You can try higher value resistors to see how sensitive the leakage test is on this tester. Does it use a neon light, eye tube or meter to indicate the leakage?
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Chris108
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2012 5:29 pm |
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Joined: Jun Fri 19, 2009 6:34 pm Posts: 2654 Location: Long Island
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You may be right, but it does not say much for the tester if H-K leakage shows up as grid leakage!
_________________ "Hell, there are no rules here--we're trying to accomplish something!"
Thomas A. Edison
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decoflair
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Fri 13, 2012 5:37 pm |
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Joined: Apr Fri 03, 2009 10:32 am Posts: 1369 Location: New Rochelle, NY
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I checked the small but thick book that came with the testor and there was no mention about rectifier tubes.
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Dave Wise
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Sat 14, 2012 12:36 am |
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Joined: Feb Thu 08, 2007 12:36 am Posts: 1163 Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
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The book didn't mention it because you shouldn't be running the grid leakage test on that type of tube, just shorts and emission. You might have a very slight H-K leakage, too small to register on the shorts test. I think your tubes are fine.
Dave Wise
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Lou deGonzague
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Sat 14, 2012 12:40 am |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 6971 Location: Latham NY
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I don't have access to the manual but what Dave says makes sense. No grid in the tube means there would be no grid leakage test to perform. I would study the manual further.
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decoflair
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Post subject: Re: rectifier tube (34W5) and grid leakage Posted: Apr Sat 14, 2012 11:51 am |
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Joined: Apr Fri 03, 2009 10:32 am Posts: 1369 Location: New Rochelle, NY
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Thanks everyone for the input to my issue. Greg
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