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 Post subject: Re: The notorious 6X5 and kin
PostPosted: Jun Fri 15, 2012 5:08 am 
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If a person is replacing a power transformer and has a 6X5 in the radio it can be rewired for 5Y3. Most replacement power transformers have a 5 volt @ 2 amp winding.

Most problems show up in Zenith radios with two 6X5 tubes. Any 6X5 can have a problem but some radios are still operating with original tubes. (6X5 also means 6X5GT or 6X5G) Few radios use the metal version.

There are different plate configurations in 6X5's. The best seems to be a X shape. Should be able to find pictures posted here on ARF.

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 Post subject: Re: The notorious 6X5 and kin
PostPosted: Jun Fri 15, 2012 5:35 pm 
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This poor little tube. Used in many sets at or just above design limits without proper fuses has caused a lot of damage over the decades. The more sensible alternative with a 5 volt independent winding has been working pretty much flawlessly for 50 years. 6X5GT is better.

That being said, I have a couple of intsruments that have 6X5's that are just fine. 6X4 and a couple like it have similar design, and within limits are OK in my book.


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 Post subject: Re: The notorious 6X5 and kin
PostPosted: Jun Fri 15, 2012 6:04 pm 
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Same here :wink: .

The tube (and any other tube) can't be blamed for faulty circuit design or for any other form of misuse or abuse. It's a lot like blaming a car because some jerk was too pickled to keep it on the road.

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 Post subject: Re: The notorious 6X5 and kin
PostPosted: Jun Fri 15, 2012 9:12 pm 
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This may belong in test equipment forum, but I just picked up a Heathkit T-2 signal tracer with a 6X5 - wouldn't think there'd be a problem there, but I'd welcome any comments.

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 Post subject: Re: The notorious 6X5 and kin
PostPosted: Jun Fri 15, 2012 10:53 pm 
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You should be fine. Test equipment is usually pretty easy on the rectifiers. In really low drain applications like VTVMs it's not uncommon to find 6H6s or 6AL5s used for power rectification without over straining them. Just make sure the power supply lytics are still good.

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 Post subject: Re: The notorious 6X5 and kin
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+1.

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 Post subject: Re: The notorious 6X5 and kin
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Mr. Detrola wrote:
Certainly by that time Zenith was well aware of their serious engineering mistake on the 1940 models, as many power transformers had failed within several months of the radio being sold to a customer. My parents had a 12-tube 1940 Zenith and the transformer burned up shortly after the 90 day warranty expired. Makes sense that Zenith tried to modify the design, but you will also notice that they started changing over to 5 volt rectifiers in some sets. Tying the rectifier cathode to the heater winding only solves the problem of H-K shorts, and does nothing to address P-K or P-P shorts which were also happening in various designs of 6X5 tubes.

By 1943 Zenith had published a "fix" for the problem, which advised dealers to install common dial lamps in each HV lead going to the rectifier socket to act as fuses, claiming they had never had a transformer fail a second time in a set with the lamp/fuses added.

Here's the factory bulletin, the info on the 6X5 is in the right hand column near the bottom. ARF member Ed Engelken posted the bulletin originally. http://www.gvtc.com/~edengel/ZenithWW-II.jpg

The above mentioned link to the Zenith factory bulletin no longer works since my ISP discontinued hosting it. I have attached the bulletin to this message to keep it available on ARF.


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 Post subject: Re: The notorious 6X5 and kin
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Many thanks for the JPEG of that bulletin, Ed, I appreciate it!

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