That's just it. "Pride in your work"
That's what's fading from people nowadays. I was taught from my father to either do it right and be proud of putting my name on my work, or don't do it at all. Whenever I worked as a mechanic, I wouldn't send it out unless it was in perfect working order. A lot of people today just don't get it. When I went to college I was the only one who didn't have a customer callback due to my pride in doing it right.
Even now when I'm medically unfit for work, I still type and spell to the best of my ability. If I can't remember how to spell a word I take the time to look it up. That way I'm still learning.

Alex

My wife is a college professor she teaches music history. She has had one person turn in a paper that was written in mostly "text" speak. They failed. I think a lot of today's issues comes from people being lazy and not taking pride in their work as was mentioned before. Her favorite concert review that was turned it this past semester was written about a concert that was cancelled! ( ot happened to be the last concert that could be "reviewed" for the semester and this person was too lazy to go to the otther 42 events that qulaified. I said they should have gotten credit for creative writing

I replaced a word ( his race) with a blank ....to avoid a discussion focusing mostly about his ethnicity instead of his poor grammar.

The man who wrote the letter, original had written his race in those now blank spaces.

Might tell our complainer that I'm "anything but '_______' ", my business writing is flawless, and I can't even get a job as a parttime dog trainer at Petsmart. And yes I've trained dogs too, though their application never asked about that.

I thought that was obvious, and reinforced by his attitude.

Hello Peter,
Far as my Grammer and Spelling goes it sucks .
Far as Jobs go I had help with my resume and it was done professionaly but it still has not helped me to get any Job's yet ,they are getting hard to find
I have gone to interviews and then they never call me back So guess they figure I'm a idot or something .
lately I've been getting depressed far as jobs go .
Sincerely Richard

Hey Richard (bitchen name, BTW...Coincidentally the same as mine ),

Don't get discouraged; there are a plethora of college grads, including advanced graduate students (M.A./M.S./JD/PHD), unemployed in the current dismal economy.

I would suggest getting the Sunday paper and looking over the classifieds. There are always certain disciplines (nurses, sales as two examples) that have an abundance of help wanted listings.

Persistence pays off.

You are a talented and genuine good guy though Rich... isn't that enough .. once people get to know you?

There was a study done to determine how the social class of people is determined, at first meeting, by others. The three most important factors where speech, weight and teeth.

Is it really the product of a college education? My answer would be probably yes.

There was a recent study that found that just over 40 per cent of college graduates didn't really learn anything during that four years in college. I suspect the study is fairly accurate.

When I was in college the last time around, there was a woman there who couldn't write a coherent sentence, much less follow simple written directions. She was native born, and a native speaker.

What was she doing in college? That would be a good question, but there she was -- and complaining about the instructors who were giving her F's and D's.

One of the most important objectives with post high school ( college/university ) education is learning the methodology of learning, which will hopefully enhance any further studies you may wish to undertake.

Ron.

Yep, some think they have an entitlement to everything without earning it. Whats sad is the colleges that support that nonsense and unload degreed idiots and misfits to polute the poor companies that hire and then cant fire them.

Carl

Hello Peter,
I want to say thanks you guys are great I blame the teachers for not being better They just passed the buck .
But don't get me wrong there are alot great teachers and I know teaching is very hard work and under paid

Yes some of our youth nowdays are not very smart in math either .
I was in bed bath and beyond few years ago and standing in line to buy a new shaver.
there was a large line that was not moving so I went to the cashier to see what was the problem he says the Cash register was down .
He was trying to figure 20% of $100.00 Wow

Peter...........

You forgot to mention the school he went to........ Stan Ski's Supreme University of Righteous Rap - where rap is the language on campus. Seriously, listening to some of this "rap crap"... I'd say the guy got all A's in street language......

Back in the mid '70s when I was preparing for college, they had something called "entrance exams" (the SAT tests) which were given prior to being admitted to a college or university. At that time, if you didn't have command of English, mathematics and science, you did not do well on these tests and were not offered admission to college. Presumably most colleges and universities still use this or some equivalent aptitude tests to determine if someone is suitable for admission. How do people with no grammar skills score well on the test and get into college in the first place?

Hey Cody! Nice to see another kid here. I'm 17! Glad to see another intelligent kid. You'll go far I'm sure.

In regards to this thread, I'm thankful that I was at least taught the basics of correct grammar use in school. Grammar is not a required course in neighboring districts. I don't understand why. Many schools in the US seem to harp on the foreign language thing as well, but in all honesty, we're in America and I feel as though English literature and grammar courses should be mandatory.

My grammar is no where near perfect, but the level this college student is at is horrendous....

Good question and guess it is a sign of the times. I had to take an entrance test of basic English before I could even register for a college English class.

I have to add that this level of poor grammar is widespread. I have an MSEE and thus was qualified when I retired to teach college at a local university. I teach Computer Science where not only code is required but status reports, papers, and final reports. The university is pretty straight up about grading guidelines for reports. Up to 25% of a report is graded for grammar and spelling versus technical content. However, I have had a number of students who just are either lazy or were never trained properly. When I was in high school, we diagrammed sentences in 4 languages so I am coming from a pretty strict baseline. I give the benefit of the doubt, especially with non native speakers. The university provides special workshops for all students to help with English and grammar, i.e. Effective Technical Writing. I see a lot of papers that are not well written but rather contain what I call "stream of consciousness", i.e. an incoherent ramble of random thoughts. Unfortunately, I think I grade harder than other profs which is sad. When I give a harsh grade, I tell the student straight up that, if he/she does this in the business worked, the boss will not be able to get past the poor grammar to even consider the content.
Yes, proper grammar and effective writing have taken a nosedive in recent decades.

Too often it isn't a stream of consciousness, but rather a puddle, which goes nowhere.