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 Post subject: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 12:45 am 
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Currently 5 large fires burning around So Cal - with 0 percent containment, and several more days of high winds predicted. Is anyone here directly affected??

Thoughts and prayers go out to any and all in jeopardy!

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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 2:55 am 
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The nearest fire is about 8 miles from us. Fortunately it's not close enough to be threatening, but we are getting some minor ash fallout and the increasing smoke makes it hard to breathe.


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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 4:51 am 
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The Rye Canyon fire is about 15 miles northwest of me, the Sylmar blaze about the same distance south. No smoke smell or ash so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 5:29 am 
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Feel free to crucifiy me, but I’ll never understand why anyone would want to live in SoCal. High cost of living, smog, bad traffic, drought, earthquakes, fires that wipe out thousands of homes annually and what do you get in return? Nice weather? Florida and most of the South have nice weather 95% of the time. I’d get depressed if Christmas didn’t include snow, I love the stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 5:57 am 
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Feel free to crucifiy me, but I’ll never understand why anyone would want to live in SoCal. High cost of living, smog, bad traffic, drought, earthquakes, fires that wipe out thousands of homes annually and what do you get in return? Nice weather? Florida and most of the South have nice weather 95% of the time. I’d get depressed if Christmas didn’t include snow, I love the stuff.


Earthquakes of any note occur less often than tornados and hurricanes. The fire areas are in the hilly sections. The flat lands are less prone to fire. About the same as suburbs in other parts of the country. I can get in the car drive for an hour and a half, and be surrounded by snow. Tired of snow. Drive down the hill and go to the beach. All in the same day. Also, we have a dry heat. If its a hundred in the shade, I'm still comfortable, as long as I'm also in the shade. Was in Florida once. It was only 85, but I was soaking wet in only 5 minutes. Smog is a lot better than when I was a kid. The expensive real estate is due to a lot of people occupying the same space. Of those, the only ones that bother me, are involved in the unspeakable p-word. And I don't mean porn.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 6:32 am 
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We were close to the Sylmar fire this morning, and got a photos of it at 210 & 118 on the way to work in San Fernando. I wore a yellow shirt, and after coming down from inspecting a roof and HVAC equipment on it, saw that there was ash all over my shirt. We need to put the "homeless" to work clearing the brush to prevent such fire disasters, and to get them back to being productive workers.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 9:54 am 
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Joseph Newton wrote:
Feel free to crucifiy me, but I’ll never understand why anyone would want to live in SoCal. High cost of living, smog, bad traffic, drought, earthquakes, fires that wipe out thousands of homes annually and what do you get in return? Nice weather? Florida and most of the South have nice weather 95% of the time. I’d get depressed if Christmas didn’t include snow, I love the stuff.

Fire, flood, riot, and earthquake; yup, that's SoCal to a "T", eh eh. But I wouldn't live anywhere else, I LOVE it here! Unfortunately, so do 20 million other ppl, but, "oh well".

Nice weather in most of the south? Ya means like say, Louisiana? When the "wet bulb" reading is equal to the temperature? No thanks, I HATE humidity. Snow? I had three years of it in West Germany, latitude about equal to Calgary, Canada, and the only snow I ever want to see again is on a sno-cone. High cost of living? Well, yeah, but a person can capitalize on that in the Real Estate market. I'm guessing that that's not the case in your area.

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We need to put the "homeless" to work clearing the brush to prevent such fire disasters, and to get them back to being productive workers.

OMG Stephen, "there you go again". :wink: Newsflash, old buddy; many of the homeless don't want to work OR have a roof over their head. It's just the way they are.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 11:43 am 
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CA is the arson capitol of the world, and has been for decades. How do you think that a dozen fires just happen to start in one day? You can have one started by lightening or swinging power lines, then before nightfall there will be 8 to 15 separate fires, usually on windy days. And "fire insurance" is a joke; they pay off only when they feel like it.


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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 6:31 pm 
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Feel free to crucifiy me, but I’ll never understand why anyone would want to live in SoCal. High cost of living, smog, bad traffic, drought, earthquakes,


For starters we in California have some of the highest levels of emission controls than any other state and so ironically we also probably have some of the cleanest air with regards to our large cities. Secondly, the weather. Its been in the mid-60's here all week long. In most of the rest of the country its freezing.

And if one misses snow... Tahoe is a short 2 hour drive for us where we can see feet of the stuff for half of the year...


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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
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It doesn't really matter where one lives, we all live somewhere and are generally used to it to the point where we're happy where we are. I really like the upper Midwest weather, with snow in winter, colored leaves in fall, mixed days in summer that can be hot and humid one day, dry and warm the next and rain the next. Not necessarily Minnesota, the Dakota's and Wisconsin are similar without overpopulation yet. Speaking of that, I don't have to live in a suburb where they have a homeowners association that tells me what color my house has to be and how many cars I can have and forbid antennas and even can tell me just how big my garage can be and how many buildings I can have on my own property. That's what it's like in many parts of this vast country judging from what I've read on this very forum over the years.

Nope, I don't want to live anywhere else. I have NO neighbors close enough to be able to say 'hi' to. I can have all sorts of stuff around my property if I so choose. I can put up out buildings to my heart's content and nobody cares. I care somewhat because I don't want to ruin the place, but I have the liberty to make my own decisions on all of it. I am happy here, nobody comes by and says they don't like my Suburban parked where it is. I can play the hi-fi as loud as I like and nobody hears it buy moi'. Most of all though, is that I can't stand close neighbors. There's a farm site down the road a bit, but out of sight. Nice people, nice kids of school age. We are on friendly terms with them because we aren't close enough for either of us to bother the other.

And property taxes are low. Very low in fact when compared to what people pay for a postage stamp size lot in any part of southern California and the S.F. area. I don't have to be rich to own a small estate here.

HOWEVER! I do have empathy for those who do happen to live in an area where their houses are burned down on an annual basis. Most especially if they grew up in those sorts of conditions and don't know there are places where those things seldom happen.
I would think that if the people who live in these dry brush areas really care about their house and property they would be out there themselves clearing out all the brush and tumbleweed before it becomes a hazard. You just know some wacked out drug addicted loser is going to light 'er up at some point.


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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Wed 06, 2017 11:58 pm 
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threeneurons wrote:
The fire areas are in the hilly sections. The flat lands are less prone to fire.

Out of curiosity, why is that? I mean, is it due to the vegetation covering the respective areas, or is there something about weather patterns that's different between the hills and the flats?


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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Thu 07, 2017 12:51 am 
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Tim Mullen wrote:
threeneurons wrote:
The fire areas are in the hilly sections. The flat lands are less prone to fire.

Out of curiosity, why is that? I mean, is it due to the vegetation covering the respective areas, or is there something about weather patterns that's different between the hills and the flats?


Edit: Southern California geography:

So Cal can be thought of as an egg carton. The flat lands are the pockets that hold the eggs, while the hills are the walls. That's also why we have microclimates. It could be 75 in one area and over 100 only a few miles away.


The flat lands are mostly developed. A lot of asphalt and concrete with buildings in between. Most of the hilly areas are sparsely developed. Mostly residential, with a lot of wild land. The vegetation gets bone dry a good part of the year. Doesn't take much to start a fire. Most fires are natural or accidental, but there is always an a-hole or two, that want their 15 minutes of fame.

My parent's house was up in the hills. Took it for granted that I could just hop a fence a few blocks away, and be in the wilderness. A few fires got close. My father couldn't drive in once, and had to park a mile away an walk home. I passed his car the next day riding my bike to school.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
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Be safe guys that live around there.Saw the horrible footage on Entertainment Tonight just now on TV.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Thu 07, 2017 5:17 pm 
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I’ll never understand why anyone would want to live in SoCal.
Elsewhere you mention that you live in an area which prevents you from earning more. Southern California is loaded with economic opportunities. It also has many interesting people from all over the world, beaches, a wonderful climate without the humidity of the Midwest and Florida, and proximity to mountains, giant trees, and thousands of interesting places to visit, shop, dine, and recreate.

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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
PostPosted: Dec Fri 08, 2017 1:29 am 
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I have to think about this for a sec, ok that's long enough. All the rain that we had last winter, in a drought stricken area makes all the hills and valleys a blanket of green long grasses and lots of brush that hasn't seen rain for quite awhile.Then comes summer and the grasses die off and creates a perfect storm for huge fires.
If you look at the areas that are burning right now mostly grasses and small brush and huge neighborhoods in between.
Now tell me if I'm wrong, but don't the people that live in wet areas, floods and tornado,hurricanes ,southeast,south and parts of the midwest rebuild time after time. What the heck would make me want to live there? :roll: Cheap property,property taxes, no thanks I'll live on my sunny So Cal
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 Post subject: Re: Any Members affected by the current So Cal Fires??
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Feel free to crucifiy me, but I’ll never understand why anyone would want to live in SoCal. High cost of living, smog, bad traffic, drought, earthquakes, fires that wipe out thousands of homes annually and what do you get in return? Nice weather? Florida and most of the South have nice weather 95% of the time. I’d get depressed if Christmas didn’t include snow, I love the stuff.


Earthquakes of any note occur less often than tornados and hurricanes. The fire areas are in the hilly sections. The flat lands are less prone to fire. About the same as suburbs in other parts of the country. I can get in the car drive for an hour and a half, and be surrounded by snow. Tired of snow. Drive down the hill and go to the beach. All in the same day. Also, we have a dry heat. If its a hundred in the shade, I'm still comfortable, as long as I'm also in the shade. Was in Florida once. It was only 85, but I was soaking wet in only 5 minutes. Smog is a lot better than when I was a kid. The expensive real estate is due to a lot of people occupying the same space. Of those, the only ones that bother me, are involved in the unspeakable p-word. And I don't mean porn.

I'm afraid I missed what the p-word might be. Sufficient water in SOCAL is certainly an issue. Ask anyone in the Owens Valley, or in the Sacramento Delta, or the Bay Area, or even way farther afield. Anyplace where there are that many people so dependent on outside resources is a disaster waiting to happen. But when it's nice down there and you don't have to drive anywhere, it's really nice!


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FStephenMasek wrote: We need to put the "homeless" to work clearing the brush to prevent such fire disasters, and to get them back to being productive workers.

Why don't you run for Governor?
I bet you'd win a lot of votes.

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FStephenMasek wrote: We need to put the "homeless" to work clearing the brush to prevent such fire disasters, and to get them back to being productive workers.

Why don't you run for Governor?
I bet you'd win a lot of votes.

Greg.
There are more than you think who want me to run for political office. We were in Vilnius a few months ago and saw zero bums. Why? They are made to work cleaning streets and so forth in return for food and shelter. We can and should do the same here. The current approach is clearly not working and is a disgrace benefiting nobody (except the devil).

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