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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2018 9:45 pm 
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The Hipsters are everywhere, even the Midwest is over run by them.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2018 10:29 pm 
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For an old fashoined wine tasting experience, you could cross the border and visit the the Canadian Okanogan Valley. My son manages a winery there, Intersection Wines, near Oliver and OK Falls.

The deal is when you buy wine, or you are in the Wine Club, there is no charge for tasting. But what do you expect, always free wine, wine you already know is good? :lol:
I guess I do remember Napa wine tasting and just going from vineyard to vineyard and wondering if I was fit to drive. It's a lot of fun.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2018 10:44 pm 
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With hipsters/yuppies, appearance is everything, even if one can't afford to pay cash for the stuff. Just put it on plastic.....

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2018 11:14 pm 
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How many have a good or better net worth and how many are up to their eyeballs in debt? The show-offs tend to be poor.

There is nothing wrong with owning a nice car, BMW or otherwise. You can spend vast amounts just for a pickup yruck, if that floats your boat.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2018 11:29 pm 
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This past year I have been working in the Bay area and up north as well. I have to say it's incredibly beautiful but very expensive. Oregon is very beautiful as well but a lot cheaper.

I was passing up through Napa and Sonoma a few times into Lake County. There are a lot of wineries there also and I was wondering if they were less crowded and less expensive than their southern cousins. Next time I'll take some time to see. It could be a reasonable option. There could be some hidden gems.

I was in Alameda last week. What a nice town. Had lunch at Wild Ginger.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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For those not loaded with debt, economic downturns are buying opportunities. We started buying real estate again in 2011 and have several properties which have more than doubled in value since then.

Jealousy is a lousy life strategy.

My article on debt: https://www.ocregister.com/2011/11/06/t ... g-america/

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
PostPosted: Feb Thu 22, 2018 3:48 am 
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The stock market has set record gains over the last couple years.
Some folks are doing well, on paper anyway. Now they are living the lifestyle they think goes with it.

Yeah, if your are looking for solitude, you are probably not going to find it in the bay area.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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Back to the OP.... If you ever want to come out to Livermore for some good wine tasting, look me up. There are places off the beaten track that have good wine and don't try to gouge you for it (granted, such places are increasingly rare...).

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I think things like what the OP is describing are more caused by the fact that it's easier to find once only in the know locations/hobbies/passtimes with the internet. At least that's a huge part of it.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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A few years back I had some out-of-town guests visiting and decided to take them
out to King Estate Winery just outside of Eugene.

I was (almost) embarrassed by the behavior of the overflowing crowd.
It was primarily the 25-40 crowd and their sense of entitlement was in full flower.

Once people pushed their way thru the crowd and made it up to the bar to order,
they stayed there, standing at the bar, and chatting; oblivious to the fact that no
one else could get up to order due to their boorishness. My guests were upset by the
behavior, as was I.
I haven't been back. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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I'd say much of what we're seeing is no different than it was during the last economic boom. When it finally crashed there was an almost immediate revelation of who really had money and who didn't. We knew people who bought houses around the bay area during the boom and wound up losing them because they could no longer afford them. Likewise the dealer lots started filling up with Bimmers and large full sized trucks and SUVs.

I work in the tech industry and when I first arrived here in 1999-2000 the same thing was happening: Lots of younger folks who were driving around in luxury cars, paying nosebleed rents or buying up incredibly expensive houses. These were mostly naive folks who had probably never experienced a recession of economic downturn. So when the dot-com burst the entire area emptied out over night. It was amazing. Rents crashed. Housing prices crashed. Freeway traffic dramatically decreased. And so on. I never experienced this because since the crash happened as soon as I arrived and so I worked in menial jobs for a few years.

But I've been through several recessions now and even though we do decently I don't for a second pretend that another recession isn't just around the corner. This time around I'm seeing a lot of the same things: 20-30 somethings too young to have experienced the last recession, flying high on their tech salaries, driving their 5 series or Audi A4's and whatnot, paying two and three times as much to rent a small studio apartment in SF versus over my entire mortgage and so on. These are the kinds of people I now see at every single winery, brewery, bar, or restaurant.

They say a recession is a great equalizer. I'd say we're probably due for one now as much as I hate to say it.


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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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Mr. Detrola wrote:
I'd buy a waterfront mansion and go to the junkyard and buy the rustiest, beat up Cadillac I could find and put it up on blocks in the front yard. :shock:
I'd put a Trailer Park Boys set in Malibu or Beverly Hills or the Hamptons and do the same thing. With the rest of the money leftover from NOT buying the mansion I'd buy every politician that could be bought just so I cd live the rest of my life flipping the bird to all these little yuppie puppies w an entitlement complex.
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I haven't been back. :roll:
And nobody cares but you. The winery don't care since they got a thousand other idiots lined up behind you to shell out their cash and tolerate whatever and the idiots don't care bec they are being handheld and babysat just like the spoiled brats and brat-ettes they are.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
PostPosted: Feb Thu 22, 2018 9:06 pm 
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If I had a million dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aynCgnbbgbM

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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Sol wrote:
If I had a million dollars.
Why if? We live in the land of opportunity, with no castes, royalty or such to prevent achievement.

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They say a recession is a great equalizer. I'd say we're probably due for one now as much as I hate to say it.
The tax cuts change things. Instead of a nationwide recession, we may have localized recessions in areas where the debt houses of cards collapse.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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Sol wrote:
If I had a million dollars.
Why if? We live in the land of opportunity, with no castes, royalty or such to prevent achievement.

That's the name of the song Stephen - and the band most certainly does have a million dollars.

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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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I am just enough older than you are to have lived through the same activities, and the same reactions by others, that defined the second half of the 1980s, which also followed a bad recession. The "hipsters" you describe were called "yuppies" then, but everything else is the SAME.

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Oh well... I'm totally being a crabby old man even though I'm 40...

That is purely a disease you get from the hobby you/we on this forum are all in. It is almost impossible to dive heavily into the glories of the 1930s-1960s era (as most of us collectors do) while at the same time being able to entirely ignore just about every single bad thing about that same era (as most of us collectors ALSO do, whether we want to stop and think about it or not) and not see many if not almost all aspects of modern life in a bad light.

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I've always said that, if you lend money the most important thing, more than the interest rate, is to ensure the borrower can pay you back. Who lends all this cash to the spendthrifts?
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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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Seattle is rolling in money. Big money. Software money. It's gentrification galore.

On one side of the freeway you see the glass and steel highrises.

On the other side are the homeless tents, set up in the medians here and there.

We live in interesting times.


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 Post subject: Re: Gentrification and hipsterization of everything...
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If I had a heads up for your trip you could have stopped by.
We're just north of Santa Rosa.

When wineries started charging I stopped taking out of town visitors
there. The best tour is at Corbel (dues west of us on River Road)
and best of all its still FREE. Head out to the coast from there to
Jenner and head sout to Bodega Bay. My favorite place at the coast
is Carmet. There is a nice secluded beach with stunning views that
few people frequent. Good place to let dogs run too.

These days tourists come here to see the aftermath of the fires.
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