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 Post subject: Re: 10k year clock - Why?
PostPosted: Mar Thu 08, 2018 10:46 pm 
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Just think what good this money could do if applied to worthy causes.

Rick

That's what I'm saying!
... take a look at the 3rd world countries... certainly something better can be done for the world there... or here at home.

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 Post subject: Re: 10k year clock - Why?
PostPosted: Mar Thu 08, 2018 10:49 pm 
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Leigh wrote:
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Just think what good this money could do if applied to worthy causes.

It's being used to pay US workers and companies.

What would be a more "worthy cause"?

- Leigh

How about a mag-lev train or such. Something ppl can use.

Or research how to make more efficient use of our remaining fossil fuels. How about a low pollution engine that you can get 100mpg or something?

Cancer research or Alzheimer research.

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 Post subject: Re: 10k year clock - Why?
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Did you know the great pyramids of Egypt were built by workers paid partially with beer?

Of course, if you think about it, you'd have to be drunk to build something like that.

Beer was thick mushy food in those days. Not like Bud!

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 Post subject: Re: 10k year clock - Why?
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It only "ticks" once a year... and you'd have to be in the mountain to see it... what's the point?

You might as well have just told ppl you did it.
... because what's the point of expecting the effort of dragging ppl that whole long trip just to observe that single tick once a year? Seems pointless activity.

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 Post subject: Re: 10k year clock - Why?
PostPosted: Mar Thu 08, 2018 11:44 pm 
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Of course, if you think about it, you'd have to be drunk to build something like that.


As an aside there are fantastic structures at Giza (and elsewhere) that are fairly inexplicable in terms of construction techniques and materials. It is absolutely amazing. Cuzco, Macchu Pichu and other areas in Peru as well.


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 Post subject: Re: 10k year clock - Why?
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It only "ticks" once a year... and you'd have to be in the mountain to see it... what's the point?
I get your point. Much of this thread is whether Bezos gets to do with his money what he wants, or whether the money would be better spent elsewhere.

This is what's amazing and wonderful about the human condition. Some people are acutely aware of wonderful things, others are not so much. You can guess where Bezos fits in.

The way I evaluate pretty much everything, including this, is where it fits on a continuum. With continui, most stuff happens in the middle, but it's the extreme ends where interesting things are found. I surmise that this project is one at extreme end, and the other extreme end would be something maybe akin to poor folks in prison with no joy of life. I like it that there can be impractical awe-inspiring things in the world to counterbalance the depressing stuff that's forced to deal only with practicality at its basest.

Another way of saying it is there's a time and place for practicality and time and place for pure art (or whatever this cool thing is). Like it or not, somebody is going to do things like this. It might as well be Bezos.


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At least one technological object won't need restoration for a while.


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Tim Mullen wrote:
At least one technological object won't need restoration for a while.

That explains the large lack of interest from this site. :wink:

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10,000 years, and human civilization will likely exist in some recognizable form.
Cynic might say, it's becoming less recognizable by the hour right now.


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Pbpix wrote:
engine that you can get 100mpg or something?


From what my dad has told me. Years ago there was such a thing he had heard about only once and it is probbaly sitting on some oil company executive's shelf now.

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Cancer research or Alzheimer research.


All I'll say about that is there's more money to be made in research and treatment than there would be in actually finding a cure.


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 Post subject: Re: 10k year clock - Why?
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There's a bit of a logical fallacy in this thread where it is assumed that money being spent on this clock is somehow money that is not available for "better causes" like medical research. The economy is not a zero sum game.

There is also the practical problem of determining which causes are "more worthy", how to direct Bezos to spend his money on those more worthy causes, and determining how much of Bezos' money is "excess". NCI execs sometimes fly on private jets; is that also money that could be used for cancer research?


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Tube Radio wrote:
Pbpix wrote:
engine that you can get 100mpg or something?


From what my dad has told me. Years ago there was such a thing he had heard about only once and it is probbaly sitting on some oil company executive's shelf now.


I can get 100mpg on lots of engines. Not a V8 though.

This "100 mpg carburetor suppressed by oil companies" business is one of those urban legends that made the rounds at one time, however it's just ludicrous on its face. Gasoline and diesel fuels are remarkable if not unique for the energy density contained therein in terms of BTU, but you were never going to see 100mpg or even 50mpg in a heavy V8 automobile of the type under discussion and with all the aerodynamics of a brick. If the laws of physics don't persuade you keep in mind both the Axis and Allied forces during World War II were completely dependent on oil for their war machines and had plenty of R&D into substitutes and stretching supplies. High octane gasoline in particular was in very short supply. Refinery cracking and the rest of it came into its own during this time, Britain alone converted a fair number of cars into wood burners because of shortages. Japan, Russia, Germany, etc. You can bet if it were possible, it would have been done and no oil company or shadowy group would have been able to prevent that.


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Probably just is a legend, but no one will really ever know.

Was something my dad read about once in a magazine.


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 Post subject: Re: 10k year clock - Why?
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Tube Radio wrote:
Probably just is a legend, but no one will really ever know.


The physics says we do know. Human nature says we do know. When you mix the something-for-nothing crowd with the conspiracy crowd, then you get the urban legend crowd. Urban legends persist year after year because these folks are unable to deal with the science and unable to challenge their own world views that organizations they're not members of are out to fool them.


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Tube Radio wrote:
Probably just is a legend, but no one will really ever know.


LOL!! Wha??!


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So....if we take two cars that get 50mpg and connect them together in parallel they should get 100mpg.

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Tube Radio wrote:
Probably just is a legend, but no one will really ever know.

Was something my dad read about once in a magazine.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nelson_Pogue

https://www.google.ca/search?q=pogue+ca ... GfXubjkPAB

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easyrider8 wrote:
So....if we take two cars that get 50mpg and connect them together in parallel they should get 100mpg.

Dave

Or is it in series? And, if in series, will they need equalizing resistors?


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easyrider8 wrote:
So....if we take two cars that get 50mpg and connect them together in parallel they should get 100mpg.

Dave


LoL NO!

You would get 50 Miles Per TWO gallons. 25mpg!


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Pbpix wrote:
Leigh wrote:
ricklin6 wrote:
Just think what good this money could do if applied to worthy causes.

It's being used to pay US workers and companies.

What would be a more "worthy cause"?

- Leigh

How about a mag-lev train or such. Something ppl can use.

Or research how to make more efficient use of our remaining fossil fuels. How about a low pollution engine that you can get 100mpg or something?

Cancer research or Alzheimer research.


Well.. he has been donating millions towards cancer research :wink:

http://www.thenonprofittimes.com/news-a ... -research/

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