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 Post subject: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
PostPosted: Mar Thu 08, 2018 4:32 pm 
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Subject: WW II American Spitfire Pilot
​A​n 18 year-old just out of high school was trained to take pictures of damage done to German targets by B-17’s. He flew in a British Spitfire fitted with extra fuel tanks where the guns were. In other words, he flew over Germany unarmed...
WWII American Spitfire Pilot
This is probably one of the best WWII film clips out there. Stored for 61 years in two suitcases of 16mm home movies that were inherited by filmmaker William Lorton from his great uncle who served as a Flight Surgeon. Those suitcases contained 3 hours of war footage that included a compelling crash landing of a Spitfire in 1944.
Filmed in a 2005 interview with the now 83 year old pilot and seeing the expression on his face when he realizes it is him in the cockpit, is something you won't soon forget.
At 18 years old, he was all alone, behind enemy lines, with no guns, no escort, and he gladly did it.
They just don't make them like that anymore. It was truly the greatest generation and we owe them so much.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ie3SrjLlcUY

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
PostPosted: Mar Thu 08, 2018 5:11 pm 
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Thanks for posting that, Mark.

A great video of one of the "greats". We owe them much indeed.

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
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Great stuff!

Much WWII historical has been lost.

My Dad's G.I .ephemera, two huge leather bound scrap books, hundreds of photos of GI's in England, France. Names only he knows. Over the years the scrap books have become disheveled, loose pages, corner mounts of photos fallen off, photos loose. Much of the descriptions were on the scrap book pages... My brother is the keeper of all this. I have a half dozen of the images scanned from a collection given to my sister... He brought home a full uniform and other bits, all of which has gone. He lamented several times that one of his trunks was broken into and his side arm was taken.

What is truly missing is the stories as small boy thrilled to listen to when Dad's G.I. friends would stop by for an evening of cards, food, Boiler makers and punishing The Third Reich. I wish so much to have a recordings of those evenings. My Dad was in his late 20's, early 30's when he served.

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
PostPosted: Mar Thu 08, 2018 5:53 pm 
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Thanks for posting that! Enjoyed it immensely! The look on his face when he realized it was him was priceless.


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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
PostPosted: Mar Thu 08, 2018 7:07 pm 
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A family friend was a Merchant Marine during WWII and served for two years during the war. Back in 2009 I sat down with him for several hours and filmed him telling stories as he went through his photo album and shared the history behind each photo. I ended up using his stories for a History class assignment while in college.

He passed away last year at the age of 91 but I was able to record many of his memories that would have otherwise been lost. Sadly, his own children and family weren't even interested when I wanted to give them a copy of my videos.

The Experimental Aircraft Association has done a wonderful job of recording veterans telling stories and making them available to the public: http://www.eaavideo.org/category/videos/timeless-voices

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing the link.

Cheers,

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I remember watching "The First of the Few" when I was a kid. I've loved spitfires ever since. An iconic aircraft. It is strange now to think that when I watched it, the war had only been over for around 20 years. That is about as long as I've lived in the U.S.

Now I need to get around to watching Dunkirk and Darkest Hour. Then maybe I'll lighten up with a touch of Dad's Army (the TV series, not the movie).

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
PostPosted: Mar Fri 09, 2018 12:49 am 
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Speaking of Spitfires, way off this topic but Spitfires anyway; The Second officer on the Titanic and was the highest ranking officer to survive the sinking Charles H. Lightoller had three sons. When WW-II broke out in England his second of three sons was in the RAF and flew Spit's. He was in the battle of Britain and was shot down and killed.
But before he was shot down, he gave some good information to his father, Charles. (nickname 'Lights')

When the big evacuation of Normandy came along and the Royal Navy wanted to use his own pleasure craft, a roughly 50 foot wood yacht with a single engine, Lights told the Royal Navy that if his boat was going to Normandy, HE would be the one to be the captain of his boat. His eldest son was not yet in the British Army, where he later was killed in France, so he went along as deck hand and able bodied seaman. On the way over there, and on the way back loaded with I forget but over 50 British soldiers who would live to fight another day, Lights used information from his middle son. That was; When a German plane is going to strafe you, you will know when he is ready to fire because he would pull the nose up slightly to aim. When you see that, he's going to fire.
Knowing this, Lights had his son at the helm and he stood out on the foredeck watching for enemy fighter aircraft. He wasn't disappointed. Several times in both directions they were attacked by German aircraft. Lights watched carefully and then relayed to his son to turn hard to port, or hard to starboard, whichever seemed better to lights. They never took a single hit.
This incident is noted slightly in the recent movie Normandy, but they don't mention that the character that plays the part is playing Charles Herbert Lightoller and his own boat. - Which before the war started he used it for espionage along the French coast and was nearly caught by the Germans but weaseled out of it. His wife was with him and that helped a lot. They played stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
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What a great story, thanks for sharing this Mark!

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
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Thanks for that bit of history, Mark.

Lots of heroes in those days.

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
PostPosted: Mar Sun 11, 2018 4:11 am 
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Thanks, I really enjoyed that.
He had guts, no doubt about that. A true hero, and what a great gift to receive to show his family.
The technology was primitive, and no wonder mishaps like no landing gear happened.

Lucky his radio kept working long enough for them to clear a strip of grass for him to land on.

I've had the privilege of flying in a wartime Grumann Goose flying boat on two occasions. Port Hardy to Ocean Falls to Bella Bella, and another time from Bella Bella to Port Hardy. The landing gear was operated by a crank down behind the pilot's seat. He had to fly the plane with one hand while turning that crank to swing the wheels down, or could land on the water, as we did at Ocean Falls. About a year after that. the old Goose crashed into a mountain and 3 people were killed.

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
PostPosted: Mar Mon 12, 2018 10:46 pm 
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One of my wife's relatives, a retired pilot, is building a replica Spitfire. He found an original engine, and the rest is going to be new. The guy has already rebuilt several other planes!

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
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That's good news. Your friend must be very talented, very knowledgeable and has a lot of funds, tools and equipment. Much more able than I, I can tell you that!
Didn't the Spit's use a version of the Rolls Royce Merlin? Or ?

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 Post subject: Re: WW-II Recon Spitfire wheels up landing Meet the pilot
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Mark D wrote:
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Didn't the Spit's use a version of the Rolls Royce Merlin? Or ?

Mark D.


Mark,

I know you can't always believe Wiki but I "believe" that this is true. Yes, the spitfire did use the Rolls Royce Merlin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Merlin

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