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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Wed 20, 2005 3:35 pm 
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Hi Guys....As long as this remains civil (it's got close to the line at times) I'm inclined to let it run. A lot of info has been put out here and I'm learning things. After all this is a Television discussion forum, just don't let it get personal and turn into a, "So's your old man!" Something tells me that if this movie ever gets made, the reviews from forum members may cause this thread to get active (wink wink nudge nudge)...Thanks<P>------------------<BR>KAØSCR


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Don't forget about Max Loomis, who supposedly sent and received radio signals during the Lincoln Presidency.<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Thu 21, 2005 1:29 am 
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While somewhat off topic, I feel I must comment on seeing capitalists maligned as “money grubbing” in this thread. It is under our great capitalist systems that most of these inventions were brought to fruition.<P>I would not have worked for Microsoft had I thought Bill Gates was a “money grubber”, or even worse yet, an “evil capitalist”, ROTFL. Nor would I have been involved in the several patents belonging to Microsoft, where I am named as one of the inventors. I was compensated more than fairly for my work, and Microsoft is welcome to any profit from those inventions.<P>It takes a team to get from a concept to a product. In addition to inventors, there are engineers, technicians, industrial designers, marketing specialists, and of course the business people who take monetary risk, and provide the necessary resources and compensation.<P>I find it rather silly to praise the inventors, while bashing the investors and businessmen who also made the new product possible. It takes more than brains to produce a new product, it takes bucks too.<P>I also find rather simplistic, any attempt to narrow down the “invention” of television to one individual. <P>But in general, I found this thread extremely fascinating and quite informative. To me, the development of television is a very interesting subject. I would like to thank you all for providing me with some very interesting reading, not to mention the many good links.<P>Izzy<P><BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Thu 21, 2005 3:58 am 
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Hi, Izzy,<P>I agree with everything you say about recognising the team of people necessary to facilitate an invention getting off the ground, but I find it hard to reconcile your acceptance of the term 'inventor' with your position on there being no one inventor of television. I find myself again asking why television is perceived as being different from any other invention that has gone before or has come after. Would you have the same view on every inventor listed in a book of inventions? A line has to be drawn somewhere, and it is usually at the first laboratory occurrence of the objective, or its first public demonstration. Television has this occurrence and this was achieved by John Logie Baird. This first is undisputed in literature.<P>Frankly, in contrast with yourself, I find it rather simplistic to take the broad view that there is 'no one inventor' of television. That option is too easy and I feel that it is taken because of the profound impact that television has had on a great many people around the world. The truth that one man was the first to achieve this holy grail is difficult for a lot of people to accept, but there has to be a first in everything.<P>Also, welcome to Dr. Malcolm Baird. It's great to see you posting here. I agree that we must keep this topic open as I feel that it represents the one thread that has completely balanced discussion about this topic. I feel that people will be able to read all views presented here in the future and form their own balanced opinions on the history of television development.<P>Jason.<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Thu 21, 2005 4:12 am 
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Hello Jason,<P>The question of who invented television depends upon one’s definition of “invent”. I think someone else said that previously in this thread. But if I were to cite one inventor it would be Paul Nipkow. Even though he did not demonstrate a working system, he invented the concept of scanning an image, or in more contemporary terms, a means for “sending picture information serially”.<P>This is not to diminish the contributions of people like John Logie Baird. Some inventions have a clear and unmistakable single inventor, I just don’t think that is the case with television.<P>Izzy<P><BR>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
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Hello, Izzy,<P>I agree that the definition of the word 'invention' will always be the debating point of everything that can be claimed as an invention. For example, did Leonardo Da Vinci invent the helicopter and the parachute? However, invention to me is the creation and demonstration of the first working system to achieve an objective. This is because the realisation and application of known principles into the first working prototype takes more than simply the application of those principles. J. L. Baird had many unforeseen obstacles to overcome to create that first television image, many of which would not have been considered by Paul Nipkow. In my opinion, Paul Nipkow invented the Nipkow disc. J. L. Baird invented the television. (I do respect your point, though).<P>Jason.<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
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Hello Jason,<P>I guess we will have to agree to disagree. IMHO, J.L. Baird merely implemented Nipkow’s invention. In the process he may have invented other aspects of the system. He certainly seems to have demonstrated the first working (albeit fairly impractical) system.<P>I think the most fundamental invention that made television possible was the idea of scanning an image. The credit for that “invention” would have to go to Paul Nipkow.<P>There were so many significant contributions, from many people, before we had a truly practical television broadcasting system.<P>Izzy<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Thu 21, 2005 8:51 am 
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It occurred to me that the problem Ken and some others may have with the way this thread is progressing is that it's frequently off-topic. The thread is about the movie, yet the discussion is about who invented TV. Related, for sure, but different.<P>I suspect that Ken sees a new posting in the thread "New Line Cinema Drama..." and expects to see an update about the movie. If we spun off the thread to one called "Who really invented TV?" then Ken could ignore that (I guess his mind is made up) and expect new postings to the thread on the movie to be about the movie itself.<P>My experience is that followiing such a lead is difficult for a group. While I'm not about to dictate a discussion split, I suggest it because it's sensible and I will take the initiative to launch one. Henceforth I'll keep discussion about "who invented TV" in that thread and post in this thread only if it relates directly to the movie.<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Thu 28, 2005 3:14 am 
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Well, after all this discussion, a member of the Aaron Sorkin group has said that this movie will not now be made. It looks like 'The Farnsworth Invention' will instead be a stage play.<P>Seems very strange - I wonder what made them change their minds?<P>Jason.<P>------------------<BR>


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PostPosted: Apr Thu 28, 2005 3:40 pm 
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Hi,<BR> Low box office appeal.<BR>Ken<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: May Mon 02, 2005 9:29 pm 
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Oh no! I hate when that happens. I had my hopes up and all..<P>------------------<BR>OZ


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Hi, everyone<BR>I am just to find the site. Let me introduce you.<BR>I am a french director<BR>and i realize a documenatry film about the all the<BR>history of the tv set designers, while including his dimension social and by crossing the collectors.. So i looking for some informations about the designers but with no success....<BR>the film call "sacré télé".<P>And I m looking too some informations to be in contact with Evan i.Schwartz who wrote "the Last Lone inventor" or another personn. In fact i m writting a scenario for the french television about the Farnsworth life and his incredible story. <BR>Sorry for my english<P>Jean-christophe<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Tue 04, 2006 8:41 pm 
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Jean-cristophe, thanks for your inquirey. When is you film to be made?<P>------------------<BR>OZ


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Wed 05, 2006 1:50 pm 
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Hi OZ,<BR>I am in work in progress. I'm reading the Evan's book "the last lone inventor". But, I do not manage to renter in touch with him. The idea is to realize a documentary fiction on the life of Philo t. Farnsworth not only a film. I shall wish to make an adaptation of its book. <BR>The french TV Channel are very interresting by the idea. They loved the peech... Here we are, or I am there at present. <P>Jean-christophe<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: New Line Cinema drama on the Farnsworth/RCA dispute
PostPosted: Apr Thu 06, 2006 2:46 am 
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What an excellent thread! Certainly the best historical thread on the entire Forum.<P>I went to the library a few weeks ago to find a book on some other subject, but happened to notice the book "Tube: The Invention of Television" by Fisher & Fisher ( <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0156005360/002-3533334-9055259?v=glance&n=283155" TARGET=_blank>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0156005360/002-3533334-9055259?v=glance&n=283155</A> ).<P>Having just finished that book, I find this thread fascinating. It's neat to see quite a number of people with in-depth knowledge of the people and events described in this book. Also nice to see some descendents and people who knew some of these pioneers personally posting info and views here.<P>Overall, reading this thread, I find that the book "Tube" does a reasonably decent job of getting across much of the work that took place in pioneering TV. Virtually all of the names mentioned here are discussed in some detail in the book, and I can't think of any particular factual errors in the book that come to light reading this thread. <P>Based on my limited knowledge, I would say that Farnsworth's biggest mistake was to think that he could invent everything needed and launch TV alone (with his small team of technical colleagues). If he had hooked up with a ruthless visionary like Sarnoff, it's quite possible that the RCA propaganda machine would have promoted him as the most important inventor of TV, or perhaps he would have ended up working as a team with Zworikin. The impression I get from reading "Tube" is that Farnsworth and Zworikin got along OK when they first met, and respected each other as highly capable. Too bad they ended up in an uneven fight -- one with all the resources he could dream of at his disposal, the other struggling to make ends meet and keep the lights on.<P>One thing that fascinates me about the story of the invention of TV is how many people understood how important such an invention would be, and if they got it to work, that it would change the world. They didn't properly see exactly how it would change the world, but they were definitely right about it being one of the most important inventions in the 1900's if not the history of man. A lot of inventors think they've got something like this, only to be proven dead wrong. Most of these guys were not overestimating...<P>------------------<BR>Tom AE6XD


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PostPosted: Apr Sat 08, 2006 7:57 am 
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Quote: Scott Marshall<P>"I've read the biographies of Farnsworth, Zworykin, and Sarnoff. Both Farnsworth and Zworykin were true scientist/inventors full of the love of ideas. "<P> I have read them all myself and its pretty easy to gather that Zworykin was more of a department head or head of research than a true working scientist when he was at RCA. Not that he was not a scientist....his time at Westinghouse was quite different than his tenure at RCA. Indeed it was all the scientists UNDER Zworykin that actualy did all the design and engineering work at RCA.... with Zworykin spurring them on, not unlike Thomas Edison. Edisons "lab assistants" actually did the engineering and made it all work. There were so many other scientists and engineers at RCA that it would be impossible to name them all here. While on the other hand Farnsworth for the most part almost single handedly or with so little assistance completed a body of work in his lifetime that is unequaled except by just a few other individuals in the last few hundred years. The fact that Farnsworth compiled this body of work with so little help from others is the single most amazing aspect of him. Farnsworth was much more than just a scientist, visionary, and engineer, he was probably the single most brilliant person in his time. Farnsworth was also named one of the top ten mathematicians of his time when he was just 33 years old placing him on an equal with Einstein and others. All in all Farnsworth's complete body of work, not just his television work is nothing short of amazing and certainly surpasses any one individual that ever worked at RCA, GE, Westinghouse, or any other laboratory of that period. IMHO there has yet to be an equal to him in my life time..... Time magazine placed him on their list of the 100 greatest scientists and thinkers of the 20th century and I completely agree with them.<P>Mark<P>------------------<BR>


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