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mbear2k
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Sun 01, 2012 12:33 am |
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I'll take some pics of the cap and post them. It looks like someone cut one of the leads, and tack-soldered it back in place at some point in its past. Overall, it isn't the prettiest looking.
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DaveM
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Sun 01, 2012 12:52 am |
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that same tech worked on my Crosley, there were a LOT of cut cap leads, then tacked back (side by side solder, no mechanical reconnection).
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mbear2k
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Thu 05, 2012 1:32 am |
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Well, I'm going backwards a little. I lost my high voltage. So troubleshooting that right now. More detail on this shortly.
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DaveM
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Thu 19, 2012 3:44 am |
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mbear2k
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Thu 19, 2012 11:19 am |
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Not yet. Had to sideline this a week as the honey-do project list took priority. It will be back on the bench this weekend, if not before. Thanks for asking!
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mbear2k
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Mon 30, 2012 8:04 pm |
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I was able to work a little on the set this weekend. I'm pulling way too much current through the 6BQ6 HO tube... Interestingly, even in the FM mode it is drawing 200ma. So, more to come (in detail over the next week or so).
Mark
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Bill Cahill
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Mon 30, 2012 9:01 pm |
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If you actually have a 6BQ6 in there, that's the wrong tube. That set uses a 6BG6 tube. BC
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mbear2k
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Mon 30, 2012 9:16 pm |
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Thanks Bill - yes, 6BG6 is the HO tube and what I'm using. Typo!
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Tom Schulz
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Mon 30, 2012 11:30 pm |
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If the horizontal oscillator stops running then you will get way too much current through the output tube. There are other possible causes of too much current, but a dead oscillator is the first thing to check.
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mbear2k
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Mon 30, 2012 11:49 pm |
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Thanks Tom - I will definitely dig in to that. Puzzling though, I thought that in FM Radio mode the horizontal oscillator would not be running but need to look at the schematic again to see how/if this is the case.
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DaveM
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Tue 31, 2012 1:40 am |
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I think your right about that, IIRC the HV is shut down, but the CRT filament stays on.
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Tom Schulz
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Tue 31, 2012 4:42 am |
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To kill the HV you would need to remove the B+ from the horizontal output tube. If you kill the oscillator, and therefore remove the drive to the horizontal output tube, the output tube will draw way too much current and destroy itself. And if you remove the B+ from the horizontal output, the tube will have no current through it.
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DaveM
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Tue 31, 2012 4:58 am |
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right and IIRC the Crosley kills the B+ to the HV. So is seems like there is a problem indeed with yours if that is not happening in the FM mode. Are you sure you are not just switching to the tv on but lights off mode on the tuner, rather than to FM mode? Note you will still be able to tune FM in any mode other than phono (if it has a phone mode that is).
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mbear2k
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Jul Tue 31, 2012 11:27 am |
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Ah! I need to check that... since I've still yet to hunt down my HV problem, I wonder if it was in the TV w/no dial light position and I was tuning FM as you mention. That makes the most sense. I'll check that when I get home tonight.
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Aug Thu 02, 2012 3:07 am |
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Mark--I'm just lurking and learning here. I was just asking about aquadag this morning on my thread and had some time to read about your dag recoating. Thanks for all of the great photos too! Ben
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Eric H
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Aug Thu 02, 2012 6:42 am |
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The baseline capacitance of 300-3000 seems so broad as to be meaningless, spray it on in about the same pattern and you can't possibly miss.
Just curious, why don't you take the test CRT out of the box and slide it in the yoke on the set, that would eliminate a lot of extra hook ups. Also, is the set running two yokes at once or do you disconnect the one on the TV?
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mbear2k
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Post subject: Re: Crosley 9-407-M1 Restore Posted: Aug Thu 16, 2012 2:39 am |
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Just a quick update of sorts - Still on the bench, but have had not time... back to it soon though!
Test CRT question - yes, the yokes are in parallel for the test. The instructions with the test CRT just say to use the "bed of nails" clips and clamp 'em on the leads to the yoke.
I'm going to find another test CRT that's maybe a little rough and harvest the tube. I haven't wanted to pull mine apart - but using it in place of the CRT in the chassis is the way to go, as many others do!
Mark
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