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 Post subject: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Wed 14, 2018 1:07 am 
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Hello all,

New member here. I had a Garod television follow me home this past weekend, and I have yet been able to determine the model number, which I need in order to obtain a schematic. The back is missing, and there is no paper label inside the cabinet. I have searched the web, and came up empty for this particular set, as far as trying to identify it using photos. I counted 20 tubes, including the Sylvania 12LP4 jug, which test very good. It has continuous tuning, and does not have a radio. It also has some mouse damage. The little varments are good at eating the vaules off of capicitors. Attached are some photos of the unit. Any help will much be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Wed 14, 2018 6:21 pm 
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Try model 1244G. That's from 1948 with variable channel tunning.
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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 1:21 am 
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Thanks Ron,

I googled Garod 1244g, and that lead me to the Videokarma site. I'm waiting for my registration to go through so I can get a look at the photos that are posted on that site. The way it reads on Videokarma, this seems to be a scarce set.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 1:32 am 
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Try this manual http://www.earlytelevision.org/pdf/garod_900_manual.pdf.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 1:53 am 
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Downloaded and saved the file. Thanks Tom.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 2:15 am 
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I'm curious -- the dial on that set looks like a continuously variable tuner, but the spacing of the stations is too even on the dial. One could imagine a switchover occuring between the low and high bands, but even on the low band the spacing wouldn't be even like that. How does it work?

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 2:33 am 
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The spacing is not linear, even on the low band. The tuner has a bandswitch that must be triggered between channels 6 and 7.
Most of the Garod models had an am/fm radio, so model 1244, without radio, might be rarer. In any case Garod is not a common brand and 1948 is a nice early year. They were made in Trenton, NJ and not often seen on the West coast A real keeper.
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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 5:24 pm 
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Yes - I see it now. There is some difference in the spacings on the VHF low part of the dial. So just a band switchover in the middle of the dial.

I've always thought Garod sets were very interesting. Never seen one in the flesh, but wouldn't mind acquiring one some day.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 6:06 pm 
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I've never seen a Garod either. Just the size and weight would discourage me from getting one. I'm trying to stay with 7" sets, and a few 10" just because of the difficulty of handling them and finding a place to display them.

Garod went out of business in 1950. I saw a listing that said they made a TV in 1937. Now that would be rare!

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 10:19 pm 
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It is a 1244G. Here is a photo of one that I used to own.
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Garod make some interesting sets like this model 900TV that is currently in my collection. In addition to TV (with channel 1) it also has AM and FM Radio with unique lighted dials and a walnut cabinet.
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They also marketed porthole sets with a "Tele-Zoom" feature that would expand the picture at the press of a wired remote button. I have several of those in my collection as well. Here is an article in the Features section of this site that includes information the Garod Tele-Zoom models. http://antiqueradios.com/features/1949tv.html

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Thu 15, 2018 10:54 pm 
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I should correct something that I wrote earlier: Gerod was made in Newark NJ, not Trenton.
Still like to know what kind of tv they might have made in 1937.
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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Fri 16, 2018 12:48 am 
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TahoeTV wrote:
Still like to know what kind of tv they might have made in 1937.
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It was a 5-inch vision-only set, with 16 tubes. Model 100. There's a schematic and service (!) data at ETF http://www.earlytelevision.org/pdf/garod_100_rider.pdf, and Radiomuseum has something too. I haven't seen any photos or drawings of the actual set in a short search.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Fri 16, 2018 1:28 am 
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That's it! Thanks Tim.

I looked and the schematic is available for this model. I will need the horizontal oscillator, and width coils. The mice worked on them, and not in a good way. Other than those couple coils, and the caps being munched on, it looks fairly good under the chassis. Fortunately, they didn't bother the coils in the IF strip, the peaking coils, or the flyback. They all look intact, and undisturbed. I've attached a few photos showing the underside of the unit.

Thanks everyone for your help.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Fri 16, 2018 4:56 am 
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If you can post the Garod part numbers for the coils as well as any subs that may be listed in Sams, it will speed the search.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2018 9:00 am 
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I restored my Garod 1244G a few years ago. I had trouble with finding the exact schematic for 1244G. I found that there were some errors in the Riders version. The exact match I found was in Sam's folder 99A-5, which is not listed in the Sam's indexes. The 99A folder was a supplement issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Fri 23, 2018 9:17 pm 
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I now have the Sams Photofact (set 108 folder 7) for this set. Unfortunately, I have hit a wall concerning part numbers. The coils are listed in the parts list, however, there are no part numbers. The Riders for this set only has the schematic, and alignment infomation.

It will be a while before I do a restoration on this set, due to having other projects ahead of it. In the meantime, I'll be trying to scrounge parts. If push comes to shove, I guess I could try doing a rewind on these coils.

Ed, Thanks for the lead on a schematic. Does the 99A-5 folder have a parts list, or is it just the schematic?

Pat


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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Fri 23, 2018 10:54 pm 
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Hi Pat,
The 99A-5 is a schematic only. Your set was most likely manufactured in 1950, Garods last year. The 108-7 folder if I recall is not the correct schematic for your set, there were differences in the horizontal circuits. Garod was taken over by Majestic, so many of parts between the two manufacturers were the same. Most, if not all of your chewed up coils are quite generic.
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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Sat 24, 2018 12:24 am 
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Hello Ed,

That's what I was afraid of with the "A" schematics being suppplementals.

I've been doing a little research. I have a Teleking KC-75 on the table at the moment, awaiting it's rebuild. The 3900 pf cap shunting the horizontal oscillator coil on the Garod schematic tipped me on to it. The Teleking uses the same oscillator circut, based on a 6SN7GT. It's a starting point. The Sams for the Teleking has part numbers from the major suppliers.

It won't be the first time I've had to install something from different set. I have a Motorola 12VK11 using a vertical output transformer from one of the sets I've scrapped. This was done in the pre-internet days, so the only source for parts, or infomation was Antique Radio Classified, and it's advertisers. Back then, lot of parts sets were found as "dumpster treasures" at the local landfill.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Sat 24, 2018 5:13 am 
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If the mice have not chewed too deeply into the coil, it may be possible to unwind it a bit and find a good connection. There is probably enough adjustment range to compensate for some missing turns. I've done this successfully a few times.
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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Garod Television
PostPosted: Feb Sat 24, 2018 7:10 am 
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I was able to locate the model in the Thordarson replacement catalog under Majestic (Majestic owned Garod). The width coil is Garod part number C-1.520 which crosses to a Thordarson WC-14 and Merit MWC-12.

The Horizontal Ringing coil is Garod P/N B-1.519 which crosses to Thordarson HS-5 and Merit TV-163.

I may have a MWC-12. You can check the Early Television Foundation parts list http://www.earlytelevision.org/flybacks.html

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