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 Post subject: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Sun 29, 2012 3:00 am 
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I followed this article to a tee, subbing em34

http://www.nostalgiaair.org/forums/Mess ... 028055.htm

The green wire, which is one of the wires that control the tuning eye degree doesn't go above 1 volt, im supposed to see 5-16v. I checked the ef89 tube which is what I believe feeds the green wire, I even subbed another tube. I'm receiving am and fm perfectly. I checked resistors coming off that pin, all in spec. There's a weird silver barrel, small, says 10/100 120volts, not sure if this is a cap. I'm lost at this point....is it cap that steps up voltage?

The diagram I'm using shows an em84 tube, the model could have one or the other eyes.

http://radiolamp.nl/images/schema's grundig/so126/so126 schema.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Sun 29, 2012 4:15 am 
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The directions you linked to seem correct. I assume by "not working" you mean that the shadow is not changing. If it's not illuminating, that's a whole other discussion.

Some things that might get you on the right track:
-the voltage that controls the shadow is negative. Do you mean -5 to -16?
-this voltage comes from AVC circuit, which originates at the EABC80. If no negative voltage, look in circuitry in that area for problem, not EF89.
-Are you sure the wire that previously was at pin 4 of the EM34 is now on pin 3 of the 6E5?
-and, importantly... Are you using a traditional 6-pin U.S.-style 6E5 or are you using a russian-made 6E5C (or maybe called 6E5s) that has eight pins? If so, pin outs are totally different and the instructions you linked to are inapplicable.

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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Sun 29, 2012 3:55 pm 
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...the 'silver barrel' is probably an electrolytic cap (does it have + or - markings on the ends?); the value suggests it's the electrolytic that you typically find in the FM detector stage (again, the EABC80 tube area)...
...btw, your link to the schematic was incomplete...http://radiolamp.nl/images/schema%27s%20grundig/so126/so126%20schema.jpg...
...are you sure you've got the right model? That schematic covers four models, SO 123/124/126/170, 1959-60 time frame, all miniature tubes, stereo (for tape/phono only) capability--and console-style. Too new for an EM34 eye tube (it calls for an EM84, which is the blue-green 'bar' type rather than the round green 'eye'--and considerably easier to get than an EM34, from what I understand)...also, no 10µF 100/120V cap (referring back to your 'silver barrel') to be found anywhere on there...calls for a 4µF 70/80V in the FM detector (C41)...


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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Sun 29, 2012 6:05 pm 
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Wrong back plate, its got a 132 backplate, the set is a so172. I have it figured out, ebf89 and ef89 were reversed. I had replaced a number of caps and resistors that were out of spec or shorted, did the can too. Sounds beautiful and tuning eye works great. Here's a pic of the set and tube layout for reference.


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New owner had no clue what tubes went where, nor did he have a manual or schematic. He has had the set in his basement for years and has never heard it play, I think he'll be happy.


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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Sun 29, 2012 6:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Mon 30, 2012 1:51 am 
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Terrific!

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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Mon 30, 2012 2:37 am 
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...found the SO172 at Radiomuseum.org and looked at that schematic...that's more like it...


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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Mon 30, 2012 3:57 am 
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You must a member, my magnifying glass doesn't work so well with their postage stamp diagrams :) My handwritten one is wrong, the 2 farthest left tubes should be ecc83's.


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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: Apr Mon 30, 2012 4:13 pm 
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...yes, I am a member :lol: ...


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 Post subject: Re: Grundig so-123 tuning eye sub to 6e5 not working
PostPosted: May Tue 01, 2012 2:36 am 
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Tell us about the CRT between the scope and the cap tester on the back of your bench. :D

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