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 Post subject: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jun Sat 30, 2012 11:35 pm 
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Mine is long dead and needs replacing. Anyone out there developed a workable go-around?
I don't want to re-invent the wheel..........
I can clip in a AAA cell and holder, but would rather use something button-like.

Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jul Sun 01, 2012 12:06 am 
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Jim I have several Rogers radios and many of them hav bias cells .. What I have done is solder a 1.5 volt hearing aid battery in place and it seems to work for me.. I got the idea from others on the forum. Just make sure you get the polarity right,,the outside of the bias cell is negative..

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 Post subject: Re: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jul Sun 01, 2012 1:13 am 
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Jim

You could replace the bias cell but may not need it? Later radios did away with bias cells for some circuits. These circuits use a cap coupling to the tube with high value grid resistor. Best to have model number so a schematic can be viewed.

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 Post subject: Re: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jul Sun 01, 2012 1:44 am 
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This is the Silvertone farm set I got running last night (Home team won 9 to 1!)

http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByMode ... 017342.pdf

Been experimenting - Seems to work OK with or w/o it. I jumped it w/ alligator clips - works OK. When I jump in a 1.2 VDC battery, the volume drops slightly but the background hash decreases (better signal/noise ratio?). Easier reception of SW signals.

I cleaned up the battery and holder clip contacts and measured 0.8V on the cell (2/3 it's value when new in 1938). Slid it back into the holder. No major difference between that and the 1.2V battery jumped in.

Maybe I'm trying to solve a problem that really isn't one..........?

PS: I LIKE the hearing aid battery idea! Glad someone has done that successfully.

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 Post subject: Re: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jul Sun 01, 2012 3:18 am 
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In case you haven't found it, here's a good discussion of bias cells and a possible method of rejuvenating them:
http://www.philcorepairbench.com/biascell.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jul Wed 04, 2012 12:22 am 
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I rewired the circuit to add cathode bias, eliminating the cell. Can be done in some cases but not all.

Dave Wise


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 Post subject: Re: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jul Wed 04, 2012 12:41 am 
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Most hearing aid batteries are zinc/air and not intended for long life. I use #13 in my H/A.

I would think a lithium coin cell is the best bet. You don't need 3.6V, but in my other systems (computer, ham transceiver, walkie-talkie), the memory batteries have lasted as long as 18 years.

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 Post subject: Re: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jul Wed 04, 2012 1:13 am 
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Vintage Dave wrote:
I rewired the circuit to add cathode bias, eliminating the cell. Can be done in some cases but not all.

Dave Wise


Correct.... cathode bias eliminates the need for a bias battery.
Also, jump the cathode resistor with a 22uf cap to "steady" the bias voltage.

I've been doing that trick for years now.
Works for me!

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 Post subject: Re: Grid Bias button cell replacements
PostPosted: Jul Wed 04, 2012 1:16 am 
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Rich, W3HWJ wrote:
Most hearing aid batteries are zinc/air and not intended for long life. I use #13 in my H/A.

I would think a lithium coin cell is the best bet. You don't need 3.6V, but in my other systems (computer, ham transceiver, walkie-talkie), the memory batteries have lasted as long as 18 years.

Rich


Exactly. Once the seal is removed, they will self deplete in weeks.

Pete

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