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 Post subject: Another "Refreshing a Finish" Project - Need Advice
PostPosted: Jul Wed 11, 2018 7:57 pm 
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I saw the RCA post about a refresh and I have something similar but I think needs more work. I am doing this work for a friend and he wants it to be restored close to original. I do not want to fully refinish it but would like to keep the original since it is so close to being good. And it has very strong sentimental value and so I believe the original finish should be kept.
I have done multiple consoles with spray lacquer and toner as you may have seen on other posts so I am familiar with that process.

As you see in the photos, there are several places where the finish is fully gone. I have done the full process with GoJo and Howards so this is as good as "the process" will allow. I have also spoken with a friend who is very talented and he may help but I wanted so further comments if folks have some experience. My only thought was to carefully sand the finish smooth and apply a few thin coats of clear over the affected areas after those have been masked off. Some areas may need toner, like the edges around the top? The one photo shows some "holes" or some pitting of the finish. That could be interesting. Maybe only a lacquer stick can fix that?

Ideas appreciated!
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Lou

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 Post subject: Re: Another "Refreshing a Finish" Project - Need Advice
PostPosted: Jul Wed 11, 2018 8:18 pm 
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I'm no expert on this, but you might try a stain pen to touch up those areas where the finish has been damaged. I've used Minwax products and had pretty good results.

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 Post subject: Re: Another "Refreshing a Finish" Project - Need Advice
PostPosted: Jul Thu 12, 2018 2:59 am 
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My 'tool kit' has an air brush in it. Your missing finish areas might be too big to tackle with an air brush.... I always try to preserve the original finish and the airbrush has been just the right tool sometimes... Of course if you have done the Go-Jo or Howards treatments you will need to wait a while for that stuff to dry out.

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 Post subject: Re: Another "Refreshing a Finish" Project - Need Advice
PostPosted: Jul Thu 12, 2018 5:01 am 
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Hy Lou, thought you had moved on from radios to cameras.
Have you explored "French Polishing? Is the ancient way to build a shellac finish and is fairly effective way to repair the kind of problem you have. And shellac is reversible with alcohol (shellac thinner).
I was introduced in a class at the Woodcraft Store some years ago. Read up on the technique.
Overview: You wrap a small wad of cotton cloth inside a square of linseed oil soaked cloth.
You squirt some thinned shellac a little at a time into the wad. Sometimes also squirt a little shellac thinner into the wad too. The shellac is contained by the outer linseed soaked cloth until you squeeze it. It works almost like a felt tip pen works. But never pause this applicator lest it suddenly stick to the surface. It drys fast on the surface and just repeat. Definitely practice on some old scraps to get the feel of it. And always work a new applicator on something else first till it is working properly before turning to the project cabinet.

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 Post subject: Re: Another "Refreshing a Finish" Project - Need Advice
PostPosted: Jul Sat 14, 2018 5:25 pm 
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You could try to first clean it with dewaxer, then use Mohawk toned laquer (clear, not opaque) to touch-up some areas, taking care to not make hot spots. Clear lacquer will mix with old lacquer, especially if you use blush retarder (available in spray cans).

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 Post subject: Re: Another "Refreshing a Finish" Project - Need Advice
PostPosted: Jul Sun 15, 2018 1:19 am 
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Lou:

You might want to PM either fred taylor or larryad, both are ARF member and both are exceptional cabinet restorers.

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 Post subject: Re: Another "Refreshing a Finish" Project - Need Advice
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I tried several options on this and spoke at length with the owner. We opted for a full refinish. And yes, I have so far put in 38 hours on stripping the cabinet and sanding all of the little nooks and crannies and have not yet finished. I must be crazy to take this on but I promised I would restore this in memory of a best friend who had died.

My question is what color of toned lacquer to use on these Philco models. This looks a little lighter and "oranger" than my classic Perfect Brown from Mohawk. However, I had tried some other colors on another project and never achieved a Philco color which maybe looks a little like fruitwood??
I finished a Philco 90 a couple of years back with Perfect Brown and it looks pretty good and very similar to the original. See below.

Any votes on which Mohawk lacquer is the best match? And, no, I cannot mix since I do not have a spray setup. I use rattle cans.
Is it possible that the finish is faded or otherwise color shifted and the original was not as orange looking?
Thanks in advance.

Lou

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 Post subject: Re: Another "Refreshing a Finish" Project - Need Advice
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Where do you obtain your Mohawk toned lacquer? They have a large range of tones, and one is a Fruitwood.

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