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 Post subject: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 2:23 am 
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Not too far into removing the old Lacquer from My 36 zenith but ..when I go to refinish it,
I'm wondering if the 3 Gold/yellow stripes were originally painted by hand?
And what you fellas do to re create them?...mask the outer area off and just us a flat brush
and do it by hand or ??

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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 2:32 am 
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Not any photo at all. :)

Gives us a model number?

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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 2:47 am 
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hmmmm......files are all too big...sorry...

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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 3:09 am 
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Read John's post in this thread member k9uwa about the stripes

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=258995&view=next

scroll down and youll see it


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 3:39 am 
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I'm just guessing but I think one way pin stripping was done, assembly wise fashion, was to have a large thin sheet of metal, such as copper or aluminum, with three long thin gaps cut into it and the sheet was bent over so that it matched the contour of the cabinet and covered the entire top and upper front of the cabinet. The strips were simply spray on with either gold lacquer or gold paint and when the templet was removed, there was three perfect strips. Quick and easy. It probably only took less then 1 minute to complete per cabinet.

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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 3:59 am 
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There was a discussion about this last May and I explained how I did the stripes.
Here is the link:

http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=277241

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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 5:41 pm 
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Thanks! for the info!...If the Factory used a Plate like that..I wonder how they kept the Paint from leaking through?
Hard enough with painters Tape sometimes.. :shock: ..if you don't get a good seal...you have a real problem then.

One other thing:..it's a little tricky Sanding the Wood that is diagonal where it meets the Wood that is in a straight line pattern.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 8:29 pm 
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There is a tool for that:

http://www.beugler.com/

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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Wed 06, 2016 8:52 pm 
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Chas...Thanks...I remember that tool,from when I used to buy Tools etc from Eastwood co,when I owned classic
and Antique Cars& Trucks.
That would work great too.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Fri 08, 2016 5:21 am 
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[quote="toomanyhobbies"]Thanks! for the info!...If the Factory used a Plate like that..I wonder how they kept the Paint from leaking through?
Hard enough with painters Tape sometimes.. :shock: ..if you don't get a good seal...you have a real problem then.

When they used those metal stencils years ago, they put a thin film of soap on the back-side to seal it and keep the paint from lifting when the stencil was removed. I used to work for a painter when I was young, he worked for the Packard company back in the 30's. Bill said that the stencils were usually made from Zinc as it's heavy and will conform to the surface of what you are painting fairly easily. He was in the part where they woodgrained the dashboards.
I'm pretty sure those pinstripes though, were done with something on the order of the Beugler roller pinstriping tools. There would be reason for them not to have used those and they are pretty easy to use. Setting up the straight edge to get your lines where you want them would be the hard part.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Fri 08, 2016 8:33 pm 
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That's great info there Earl,I'm always interested in hearing how things were done a long time ago.
The Soap and the fact that the Stencil was Zinc makes a lot of sense.

My Hands are probably too shaky to use the Beugler...I don't know..
I have a Friend who is a Automotive Painter and they have some new Tapes that are really good,I may go that route.
Do You suppose the Stripes were put on last?...or were they in place before the Lacquer was applied?
If I put them on first and messed it up it'd be a lot easier to fix!..but I'm wondering if the color would change somewhat with the Lacquer over them.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Sat 09, 2016 2:42 am 
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Yes I would use blue fine line tape for your stripes. Its used for auto painting, lay out your fine line tape for your gold stripes after your staining and or toning is done and sanding sealer coat is dry and sanded smooth. Once you have the fine line tape where you want it mask it off for over spray, use gold lacquer spray paint , let dry and remove your fine line tape and paper then your ready for your clear lacquer top coats


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Jan Mon 18, 2016 9:44 pm 
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That Zenith looks fantastic!...thanks a lot for the info and the Photos!
So did You "Tone" the Wood on Yours? or just leave it natural?
I have mine about 2/3 stripped...good winter project.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
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I used medium dark walnut stain from Mohawk and some very light coats of extra dark walnut ( air brushed or spray can )on the front top rounded trim, and the bottom molding. Also on the 3 vertical speaker bars.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
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Bringing this thread back up for you guys wanting to know how I did my stripes.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Nov Thu 23, 2017 7:30 am 
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Hey Fred, that Zenith looks spectacular!

So does that fine line tape come with a spacer strip down the center that you pull up after it's down? I mean so the width is maintained by the tape package, or did you actually lay those two outer tapes on individually. :shock: Looking at my 6S254 the stripes don't appear metallic, simply a medium gold color. Thanks for your thoughts.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
PostPosted: Nov Thu 23, 2017 2:12 pm 
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I laid down individual fine line tape, yes I used gold lacquer spray from Mohawk with fine metallic , hard to see the metallic. I cleared over the stripes with lacquer, if I would have used solid enamel in which you can get all day long in any color at any store the clear lacquer would have lifted the gold enamel. Or you could have sprayed the enamel on top of your lacquer clear and be done with it but then you would have left a line edge that you would be able to feel. Or if you cleared with urethane you could have sprayed the enamel stripes then cleared without any problems. I only use Mohawk lacquer for my clear coat, its almost impossibly to get lacquer paint anymore especially in colors.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinstripes(?) on wooden Zenith floor model
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toomanyhobbies wrote:
hmmmm......files are all too big...sorry...

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every windows pc had "Paint", you can use it to crop, rotate and resize photos. You can also convert it to a jpg or others.

When resizing, select pixels and adjust the highest number to 800, that will be a large pic here, go down from there to reduce its size displayed
or if you need it smaller for the size limit.

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