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 Post subject: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul (FINISHED)
PostPosted: Oct Mon 30, 2017 2:43 am 
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This rare AK 509w just don't come around to often and this one is needing some cabinet work which is ok because it can be fixed. The radio chassis and speaker are in working order. the cabinet is what I'm going to restore to it's splendid glory. The bottom layer of wood that's rests on the floor had some water damage so that section is going to be replaced along with the veneer along bottom including the top veneer was bad due to water vase or plant leaked and jacked up the veneer. Substrate seems to be ok and tight, I will block sand that to make sure its flat before any veneer is glued down. This will be one sweet radio when completed.


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File comment: The base came right off, water damage.
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File comment: Taking everything apart
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File comment: Theres goes the old veneer, turned black from water damage , could not save.
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File comment: Substraight is still tight, will sand flat and smooth for the new veneer
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File comment: Nice wood inlay is real good under all that crap. This radio was refinished at some point and was slopped on with dead chicken. runs in the clear all over.
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File comment: Nice inlay
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File comment: Big heavy cabinet, the inside I will make very nice also.
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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Oct Tue 31, 2017 1:25 am 
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I can't wait to see your progress. I have one of these also.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Oct Tue 31, 2017 3:46 am 
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Post a few pics of it, I would like to see it. Does yours work ok and if so how does it sound? I haven't played this one, I received it with chassis out of cabinet. This one will be a keeper for a while so I can enjoy it and display with my other fine consoles. I will restore cabinet to like new condition and should last another 75 years.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Nov Mon 06, 2017 5:52 am 
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So far I have around 20 hours or more on this cabinet, quality work takes time and this is no exception. The base took least half of the time to rebuild and placing the veneer on top and around the bottom. Some small veneer spot repairs were required and all of it turned out very well. I'm guessing this cabinet came in high gloss piano finish from looking at original survivors' on line it was high gloss, which takes a lot more time and lacquer clear coats and then has to be rubbed out. This complete job would have cost at least $1000 or more if I had to do it for a customer but its mine and that's ok too. The last picture shows the cabinet and parts stained and tone and have 4 coats of sealer which will be sanded again smooth , then I can apply the control panel decals and continue to lay down around 5 mores coats of the final lacquer high gloss clear coatings. Then it will sit a few weeks to gas out then I can wet sand and buff out.


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File comment: Base section replaced with new veneer strip along entire bottom.
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File comment: cabinet parts are stripped and ready to continue with refinishing.
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File comment: New walnut veneer on the top
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File comment: Lookin real nice, very solid and will look new again
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File comment: Base primed and painted black as factory
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File comment: Stained and toned with 4 coats of sealer, sealer looks good as is but is not as durable as the top coat. It will be sanded smooth as is used also to help fill wood grain
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File comment: lookin very nice so far, wait to you see it in high gloss in a few weeks, all put together.
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File comment: The base turned out just like I wanted. Like factory new.
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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Nov Mon 06, 2017 6:17 am 
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Lookin nice with more pics. I should make some cabinet restoration videos to sell on eBay.


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File comment: Heavy chassis board was stripped and stained with clear sealer for protection
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File comment: New wood base painted with new metal floor guides.
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File comment: Trim panels toned and sealed
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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Nov Mon 06, 2017 6:26 am 
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Ray P wrote:
I can't wait to see your progress. I have one of these also.

I got this radio from Joe, the zenithman. I think you may have asked him long ago about when he was going to restore his. Well here it is under restoration. Joe just didn't have the time to do this cabinet so I ended up with it and I own it.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Nov Thu 09, 2017 10:21 pm 
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Fred- I have the base of a similar era RCA console to rebuild. What type of solid wood do you use for these base rebuilds and where did you source it? My base is missing, and it is the substrate that will be covered with small strips of veneer and/or toned black. Thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Nov Fri 10, 2017 1:20 pm 
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radiopicker wrote:
Fred- I have the base of a similar era RCA console to rebuild. What type of solid wood do you use for these base rebuilds and where did you source it? My base is missing, and it is the substrate that will be covered with small strips of veneer and/or toned black. Thanks!

The base wood is something I picked up at home depot, don't recall what kind of wood . It was solid and flat and that's all I was looking for, its was getting painted black anyway, I quess the best wood would have been a solid walnut or oak but it was priced more than I wanted to spend. The sub straight for the veneer I used left over mahogany veneer. Turned out very well.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Nov Fri 10, 2017 8:02 pm 
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Fred, beautiful work as always. A quick question. You mentioned that you use multiple coats of sealer after you apply the toner. What type of sealer do you use on top of the toner and how long do you wait before you put the sealer down after you tone? I guess that was two questions. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Nov Sat 11, 2017 12:11 pm 
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Fred, beautiful work as always. A quick question. You mentioned that you use multiple coats of sealer after you apply the toner. What type of sealer do you use on top of the toner and how long do you wait before you put the sealer down after you tone? I guess that was two questions. Thanks.

The sealer I use is made by Mohawk and is called EZ vinyl sealer , this sealer (3 or 4 coats) can be sanded smooth the next day (wet or dry) using 320 or higher grit sand paper, or a few hours if the temp is in the upper 80,s or 90,s , being very careful not to burn thru. If Using Mohawk stains and toners they dry very fast and can be sealed over in a half hour or so. You know there are many refinishing systems or methods out there for refinishing furniture and also automobiles. There are guys here on the forum that wont refinish there radios the way I do and that's ok as long they are happy with the results they get from how there doing it. I like the results I'm getting from Mohawks products and the procedures that Mohawk recommends , there method is outstanding and I will continue to do it that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul
PostPosted: Nov Sat 11, 2017 2:10 pm 
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Nice job Fred. The color came out really nice. Quite a bit of work on the base. The few of these radios I have seen always seem to have base issues. The 310 I worked on with round feet were all bad, spit with missing pieces.

I got lucky and my uncle turned new ones out of walnut. I cut them off flush and fixed one as a guide. The new ones had a 1/2" dowel on the base end, so all I had to do was drill a hole in the base and glue em down.

I don't know what would be worse to deal with. I think the curved veneer on your base and actually making a full base was labor intensive.

Keep up the great work, it's nice to see these AK's back in service, not too many around.

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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul (FINISHED
PostPosted: Nov Sun 12, 2017 1:45 am 
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Finished up cabinet today but I still need to rub it out and buff. The radio has been serviced and plays very well. The clock is not working but soon will be god willing. The radio looks awesome and the grill cloth pretty darn nice, I could not save the old stuff. If any body has some reproduction grill cloth for this set let me know if its for sale . This sure is a grand looking console, must cost a pretty penny back in 1935. I'm sure I could fetch a pretty penny today considering the rarity and quality restoration. Thank's you all for lookin.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul (FINISHED
PostPosted: Nov Sun 12, 2017 10:26 pm 
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Looks fantastic Fred! Excellent job!


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul (FINISHED
PostPosted: Nov Sun 12, 2017 10:57 pm 
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Very Nice Work!


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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul (FINISHED
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As usual a wonderful result.

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 Post subject: Re: Big Atwater Kent 509w console cabinet overhaul (FINISHED
PostPosted: Dec Sun 03, 2017 2:55 pm 
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Well the 509w is now at my house after spending 4 months at the shop, the clock is now working. A friend from our radio club had repaired the clock motor and a few other things that needed attention with the automatic clock tuning assembly . There are a few issues with the automatic tuning system, motor that's turns dial stays on all the time so I disconnected it for the time being until I can figure it out , probably a relay of some kind? But everything else is working great. This radio sounds very nice, plenty of bass and treble . Picks up stations I didn't know existed even on short wave, that's with 2 foot antenna wire.. Very well built radio, the best I've seen so far in terms of quality.


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