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Elrick
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Tue 17, 2012 7:59 pm |
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Joined: Feb Thu 18, 2010 2:45 pm Posts: 407 Location: Bellingham WA
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This one has a single factory mounted 5 x 7 speaker mounted on the top panel firing upward.
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Brian McAllister
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Tue 17, 2012 8:06 pm |
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RepairTech wrote: johnS. wrote: Anyway, there is only one built in speaker in the M-7. I think that they sold a separate speaker to use for this recorder, although I never actually saw one. The built-in speaker only works for the left channel audio. You need to plug in another speaker to the right channel speaker plug on the front panel. That's odd, because the M7 I have in the shop has TWO built-in 4 inch speakers facing out the top of it. - factory installed. I worked on Akai recorders for an Authorized Service Station in San Francisco. I do not recall ever seeing an M-7 with 2 speakers. The M-8 had 2 top mounted speakers.
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928GTS
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Wed 18, 2012 12:02 am |
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Elrick wrote: I feel dumb I thought those were speakers. The seller told me they were extra speakers and I just thought, leave it to the Japanese to make them that small.
Still haven't playedor powered it yet besides the couple minutes in the sellers garage. I've taken the face plate off, lubed the idler wheels aand greased the mechanical linkages. Everything spins freely, the motor offers just a little drag when spining the metal fan on the back, but it seems fine. Haven't cleaned the heads yet but they don't look too bad. Need to pick up some IPA. I'm hoping, judging by the super clean condition that the heads still have some good life remaining. The directions in the manual for lubricating the motor has got me stumped. Apparently, to properly lube the motor you need to remove something called a motor board and a number of washers/bushings/retainer clips to get access to the "oiling pit". I'm not seeing these parts but perhaps I need to remove the idler wheels to get in there. Instructions say there are two oil pits, one on the back of the motor and one on the front that need to be filled with oil.
For motor lube all I have actually done so far is to carefully drip a few drops of oil against the shaft and and hand turned the motor to help it work itself down. For something that is suppose to be done every 600 hrs of operation they sure make it difficult to oil the motor. Or perhaps the manual isn't't exactly correct.
I plan on getting some efficient hi fi speakers to play it through. Specifications list it as 6 Watt max on eacch channel, total 12 W so it should fill the room. I 'll peruse the second hand shops for some tapes. The seller gave me two or three unopened tapes and a couple of pre recorded taps to get me started. I gather the "newer" high bias tapes are not recommended for this vintage player? I've used Maxell UD35-90 with my M8 without any problems. The reels I've bought have also been completely free of any shedding problems.
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Wed 18, 2012 12:26 am |
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Brian McAllister wrote: RepairTech wrote: johnS. wrote: Anyway, there is only one built in speaker in the M-7. I think that they sold a separate speaker to use for this recorder, although I never actually saw one. The built-in speaker only works for the left channel audio. You need to plug in another speaker to the right channel speaker plug on the front panel. That's odd, because the M7 I have in the shop has TWO built-in 4 inch speakers facing out the top of it. - factory installed. I worked on Akai recorders for an Authorized Service Station in San Francisco. I do not recall ever seeing an M-7 with 2 speakers. The M-8 had 2 top mounted speakers. The schematic in the Akai register just shown one speaker with serial 631201. The M8 has 2 with serial 641220 . Do you think they made 10,019 M7 units?. The M6 was 630125. I never saw the Terecorder, however Akai used Terecorder in naming three other models before stereo. Perhaps the Ampex 601 clone was the mono Terecorder Deluxe which seems to be the root design for the tube M series.
_________________ de VE7ASO VE7ZSO Amateur Radio Literacy Club. May we help you read better. Steve Dow ve7aso@rac.ca
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Tube Radio
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Wed 18, 2012 1:43 am |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 7867 Location: Warner Robins, GA
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I do have a M7 tape transport and a 770X (M8) tape transport if anyone needs parts. For the rubber drive wheels some of this will work wonders http://www.reelprosoundguys.com/RestoreKit.htmlAlso I recommend replacing all the electrolytic caps, the audio coupling caps and the resistors. Not sure what it is about those gray resistors, but in the 770X I restored I found many to be out of tolerance. Concerning the audio coupling and bypass caps physical size does matter here as a physically larger audiophile type cap will cause feedback. Learned that from experience. Mallory 150's will work and use mica caps for the values too small for film caps. Also if there are any PECs in the amp they should more than likely be replaced with individual components. Doing that will provide an excellent reel to reel machine. I think there is an input on each amp that will feed an audio signal through the amp IIRC. The cams on the play/record and ff/rew switches are pot metal. In order to lube the mechanism properly you will need to disassemble it pretty good and clean the parts of the old grease. What I did with mine was to remove one part then take a picture of where it went before moving on to the next part. That way I would have a visual aid when I put it back together. Not as hard as it may seem to disassemble. I don't remember if I used pictures to reassemble the M7 or if I just looked at the 770X tape transport I have to know where everything went. The M7 and M8 power transformers are interchangeable as are a lot of other parts namely in the tape transport. I still kick myself for selling my 770X amps I had. At the time I had no use for them.
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Elrick
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Wed 18, 2012 2:44 pm |
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Joined: Feb Thu 18, 2010 2:45 pm Posts: 407 Location: Bellingham WA
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Tube Radio, - I may need to see if you have a replacement pinch roller. I re-assembled the player after cleaning the heads and lubricating the motor and everything else I could think of. I tried to play one of the old pre-recorded tapes and it seemed to play OK for abot 10 minutes although w/ scratchy pots. After some time the tape speed slowed down to almost a stop. I think the tape itself may be in such poor shape sticking together that it broke a number of times when I tried to fast forward the reel to find a better spot of tape.
I'm wondering if the pinch roller is not up to snuff. It shows a lot of small cracks and seems a bit hard and not real pliable. I have never had a Reel to Reel player before so I don't have much background information to draw on at this time. The belt, what I can see without actually taking the chassis out of the case seems nice and tight and in good condition.
Perhaps the magic rubber rejuvination system you lincked above is all I would need to solve the problem. At this point I'm still deep in the learning curve on this problem. The motor seems to run fine and there is no excessive noise as it runs.
I thought I may get away with only a cleaning and lube on this unit but sounds like this vintage may be a candidate for new caps and resistor chacks. From what I could see peering through the openings of the cabinet it's very tight in there. Looks like a long term project for the way I work. Heck, I don't even see an easy quick way to get the guts out of the chassis. Even pulling the plugs is a little tight.
Got to battle the snow and try to get to work, more later. Thanks.
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Wed 18, 2012 6:22 pm |
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Elrick wrote: Tube Radio, - I may need to see if you have a replacement pinch roller. I re-assembled the player after cleaning the heads and lubricating the motor and everything else I could think of. I tried to play one of the old pre-recorded tapes and it seemed to play OK for abot 10 minutes although w/ scratchy pots. After some time the tape speed slowed down to almost a stop. I think the tape itself may be in such poor shape sticking together that it broke a number of times when I tried to fast forward the reel to find a better spot of tape.
I'm wondering if the pinch roller is not up to snuff. It shows a lot of small cracks and seems a bit hard and not real pliable. I have never had a Reel to Reel player before so I don't have much background information to draw on at this time. The belt, what I can see without actually taking the chassis out of the case seems nice and tight and in good condition.
Perhaps the magic rubber rejuvination system you lincked above is all I would need to solve the problem. At this point I'm still deep in the learning curve on this problem. The motor seems to run fine and there is no excessive noise as it runs.
I thought I may get away with only a cleaning and lube on this unit but sounds like this vintage may be a candidate for new caps and resistor chacks. From what I could see peering through the openings of the cabinet it's very tight in there. Looks like a long term project for the way I work. Heck, I don't even see an easy quick way to get the guts out of the chassis. Even pulling the plugs is a little tight.
Got to battle the snow and try to get to work, more later. Thanks. I would definitely replace the pinch roller. Rubber rejuvination solutions only work up to a point. If your pinch roller is showing cracks then it might be too late to save. If it's cracking there is a chance it could deposit debris on the tape as it passes by. I also would highly recommend that you get some better tape before proceeding any further. It really isn't worth gumming everything up with tape that is shedding. Use a Q-tip and some high percentage (91% or better) isopropyl alcohol to clean the heads and the capstan of the debris that has collected there. Don't use it on the pinch roller as isopropyl degrades rubber. Getting the amplifiers out of the chassis is a little difficult but not impossible. I know that there is at least one main plug that needs to be disconnected from each. You'd also have to disconnect the amplifiers from the slide mechanism that switches each amp from play to record mode. Need a service manual? http://www.beyondsanityproductions.com/ ... Manual.zip
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Wed 18, 2012 7:12 pm |
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Best I can remember there are about three or four plugs on each amp that have to be unplugged.
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Elrick
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Thu 19, 2012 4:46 am |
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928GTS, Thanks for the link to the service manual. That's exactly what I need! Very good detail and full of information. I'm looking forward to taking the amps out and going over it. The mechanicals hopfully will just need some further cleaning and perhaps an adjustment of the pinch roller tension. I'll take it slow and bring it back to its' old glory. This should be a fun project.
Tube Radio, check your PM's and thanks!
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Tube Radio
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Thu 19, 2012 2:10 pm |
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You're welcome. Yes the mechanics will need all the old grease cleaned off in order to be done right. You can then use most any modern grease unless there is a prefered type for this.
Once you receive the pinch roller the tension should more than likely not need to be adjusted.
Easy way to test it is after ensuring that the capstain drive belt is not slipping load a tape that plays at 3 3/4 IPS with the full reel on the right and rewind the tape a bit. Set the speed switch to the far right and do not use the sleeve. Play the tape and listen to the audio. If the tension is right the speed will stay constant.
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Nortonics
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Fri 20, 2012 2:09 pm |
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Elrick
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Fri 27, 2012 3:41 am |
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I pulled the amps out of the cab and thought I would show them off. Basically, they were really clean and origina all the tubes were NEC branded. I'm still waiting on a few tubes, some caps, and a pinch roller for my restoration so not much I can do right now. The EF86 tubes have thick tight fitting rubber sleeves on them. I suppose that's to lesson harmonics or something? Not sure if I have seen that before. On thing that does puzzle me is the type of resistors used in this set. I hope the reistors are fine since I don't have any stock of this type labeled "CLY MORIOHM". I will at least have to learn the new code designations. Any opinions on these grey resistors and do they have a good reptation or are they prone to problems? I notice all values are different than I'm use to seeing as well.   The mechanicals: 
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Jan Fri 27, 2012 4:29 am |
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Concerning the gray resistors I recommend checking a few in different parts of the circuit. If some are out of tolerance then I suggest replacing all the resistors.
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Elrick
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Feb Sun 05, 2012 1:57 am |
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I'm almost finished replacing the caps, it's been a big job and luckily the resistors all checked out good. Also received a nice pinch roller from Mr. Tube Radio. I was suprised to see a few places where resistors and caps are placed inside bits of vinyl or plastic tubing. Do you suppose I should keep this in place when I change out the cap? 
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Feb Sun 05, 2012 2:13 am |
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Yes the tubing prevents the leads from shorting to another terminal.
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johnS.
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Feb Sun 05, 2012 6:35 am |
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This topic makes me want to get out one of mine, and build a mono amp for my Fisher tuner. I kept both of my Akai amps, and tossed the mechanics a while ago. One of these could make a nice amplifier for my 1950's speaker, and connected to the Fisher 80-T tuner/pre-amp as a source, it would be perfect!
_________________ -John S. In Memory Of: Curt Reed, and also Bill ("oldradiospook"). We miss you guys!
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Feb Sun 05, 2012 8:08 pm |
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johnS. wrote: This topic makes me want to get out one of mine, and build a mono amp for my Fisher tuner. I kept both of my Akai amps, and tossed the mechanics a while ago. One of these could make a nice amplifier for my 1950's speaker, and connected to the Fisher 80-T tuner/pre-amp as a source, it would be perfect! I can say exactly the opposite! I've got a Roberts 770 sitting here but back around the mid 60's those machines were a constant headache, especially with customers who complained about hum. All EF86 tape recorders did hum to some extent. Added to this was the range of qualities between the grey market Akais and the domestic Roberts versions.
_________________ de VE7ASO VE7ZSO Amateur Radio Literacy Club. May we help you read better. Steve Dow ve7aso@rac.ca
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johnS.
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Feb Mon 06, 2012 7:47 am |
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So Steve, what you are saying is that I shouldn't bother keeping these? Would it make sense just to pull the output transformers and turn it into a project? You know, start from scratch. That was really my intention in the the first place. It kills me when I have to toss anything...especially tube related.
_________________ -John S. In Memory Of: Curt Reed, and also Bill ("oldradiospook"). We miss you guys!
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Feb Mon 06, 2012 10:33 am |
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No the amplifier units will do fine, just not as tape head amplifiers. That is where the hum problems were. Very few people these days need a tape head amplifier. The advantage to this Akai series is that you get two stand-alone amplifiers per recorder.
_________________ de VE7ASO VE7ZSO Amateur Radio Literacy Club. May we help you read better. Steve Dow ve7aso@rac.ca
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Post subject: Re: Akai M7 is in the house. Posted: Feb Mon 06, 2012 10:37 am |
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Thanks. I didn't want to put too much into these right now. Times are tough at the moment. I'll hang on to them, until I have the time and money to go over them (strickly as amplifiers, that is).
_________________ -John S. In Memory Of: Curt Reed, and also Bill ("oldradiospook"). We miss you guys!
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