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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Fri 17, 2012 9:11 pm 
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Okay those directions helped a lot. Here are the pictures. It may not be as bad as I previously thought. Most of the mods seemed to be confined to the lefthand (looking from rear) compartment. Behind all the wiring spaghetti I think I can see that the original tube sockets and caps. are there. I think most of the power supply is there too.


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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Fri 17, 2012 9:17 pm 
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I submitted that last post before I was done attaching pictures. Here are more.


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File comment: here is the inside of the left compartment. I can see the original components underneath all the added wires
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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 6:49 pm 
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8) Hi bhaass ,

I'm really glad that my directions worked for you so you can post photos . Now , this is the thing here , , , ,

If you really want to restore that radio back to original circuits , you are going to need to know what the original circuits were , and what was removed to make room for the "modificaton" of the hacked in transistor equipment . This is where you should not only be trying to chase down a schematic diagram of the radio's wiring , but also you should REALLY be getting in touch with Doug Houston about his offer of a free , complete chassis ..... If the "technician" who hacked that Sparton threw out even one part to make room for the transistor circuits , you'll pay hell tryin to find these parts after the fact ... THAT"S why Doug's offer is so generous , Its not like you can just pop on over to your local radio shack and pick up parts for a 1930s Sparton !!!


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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 9:00 pm 
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I think I have the Sparton Service Manual from the late 1920's to the early 1930's.

Send me an email to remind me to check next week.

acoleman@ifgbonds.com

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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 9:23 pm 
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Here is where you can download the schematic for your receiver:


http://www.geocities.ws/mesaazmike/930Schematics.GIF

If you missed the link earlier in the thread (posted by bhaass), here it is again - - - it should give you a lot of good information and provide more links to additional information too:

http://www.geocities.ws/mesaazmike/930mainPage.html

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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Sat 18, 2012 11:47 pm 
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First off welcome to the Forum and all the best to you and your wife. It looks like a nice gift. It does not look as bad as I would have thought. I do not own a 930, but did look in the service manual and have a schematic and parts list. Sorry no chassis pictures like some other models. I can copy them this next week and can mail them via the post office for you.


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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Sun 19, 2012 12:00 am 
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Well, it's such a mes, that you would probably not know where o start on it. It looks like what you have is restorable. That jackass pieced it together from a couple other sets, so it appears.

While my original offer still stands, you appear to have something to get started with The tramp grabbed all of the tubes from the set, probably, and doctored this mess up for a fat price.

I don't think you need another chassis. the speaker looks good from the rear, and the chassis look clean, and restorable. I'm still offering to help you however I can. Give me a PM, if you're interested.


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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Sun 19, 2012 4:30 am 
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I had some spare time today and did some more teardown of the radio. Look what I found with the speaker. You guys will get a kick out of this. Note the oval speaker secured to the original with a few wraps of wire! This guy is a true craftsman!


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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Sun 19, 2012 3:26 pm 
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bhaass wrote:
I had some spare time today and did some more teardown of the radio. Look what I found with the speaker. You guys will get a kick out of this. Note the oval speaker secured to the original with a few wraps of wire! This guy is a true craftsman!
You ought to write up the restoration complete with pictures like this and post it on a web page. This stuff is priceless.

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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Feb Fri 24, 2012 6:58 pm 
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Just send me an Email with your mailing address and I will send you diagrams and parts list and alignment instructions via the post office.


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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Jan Fri 11, 2013 2:06 pm 
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"This guy is a true craftsman!"
I'm sure there are many ways of expressing that observation!

I know this an old topic, but I just noticed it.

I was pretty shocked when I got to the picture of the transistor radio "pop-riveted" into the tube compartment.
The speaker was a bit more surprising to me inasmuch as the earlier pictures presented what appeared to be an in-tact speaker. I was thinking that the power transistor, etc.. that was added was to power the field coil.

I have never seen such a "conversion". In reading the epay ad, I got the impression that the "conversion" consisted of replacing tubes with solid-state devices. This is an approach we took back in the 70's to update a set.
Given the similarity in impedance and gain structure between FET's and tubes, that sort of conversion required little beyond the installation of the FET's and lowering the B+ voltage.

The real reason I started this post was to offer the original poster a set of tubes should he decide to actually restore the set.
When I say "offer", I mean gift. I feel bad for the buyer of this set and feel doubly bad given the situation. I wish him all the best.

bhaass, PM me if you would like the tube set.

73
Rick


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I had some spare time today and did some more teardown of the radio. Look what I found with the speaker. You guys will get a kick out of this. Note the oval speaker secured to the original with a few wraps of wire! This guy is a true craftsman!


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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Jan Fri 11, 2013 4:29 pm 
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THat is a nice offer since I think that set used a pair of 182Bs. Hard to find.

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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Jan Sat 12, 2013 1:04 am 
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The post is almost a year old, I wonder if anyone has heard from the OP for an update?

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 Post subject: Re: new collector help with Sparton model 930
PostPosted: Jan Sat 12, 2013 2:41 am 
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Gary, and all, I just found this thread also since it appeared on the first page.
Anyway, I read it all and I can bet there's a lot more to this story.

I also wonder how his (the op's) wife is doing. She's quite a wonderful wife to buy him this radio!

Now for a comment on the seller, it looks like the seller was the wife of a radio guy but she most
likely knows very little about radios. Is she (the seller) a widow?
I feel like she did not know much more than she wrote up in the add but that's just a guess.

One thing that comes to mind is that we really do not know the story of the radio.
There's so many variables here that we really should not guess, but I'm going to anyway.
The radio guy, the seller's husband, liked the cabinet, so made a working radio out of it.
I know it's not right in our minds but he went through a lot of work to do what he did.
Did he do this for a customer, friend, or himself? Did someone ask him to do this? We'll most likely never know.

Just my thoughts. I hope we hear from the op soon.

Bob


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