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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Tue 06, 2012 9:19 pm |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 13655 Location: Utica, NY 13502 (USA)
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Here is a simple circuit I played with using an XR2206 function generator IC as a VFO that could be used with a homebrew transmitter. It covered the entire broadcast band with the twist of the 10k pot. I've used this IC as an audio generator in the past but never as an RF generator. I chose a 330 pf mica cap as the value for "C". Stability was touchy using the pot but once a desired frequency is found, the pot could be replaced by a fixed resistor in series with a low-value trim-pot for fine tuning. Another idea might be to use a variable (tuning) cap for C. Output voltage is about 3 volts for a sine wave and much greater if the square-wave output is used. I looked on the internet and found that these chips are still available at reasonable prices. The chip will actually function as an AM transmitter by connecting audio to pin 1. I connected a 3' antenna and sent a decent signal across the room to a portable radio. Attachment:
XR2206 Oscillator.jpg [ 23.84 KiB | Viewed 2115 times ]
Jameco has these for $6.49 but I've seem them at lower prices from other sources. http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores ... 1_34972_-1Dave
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Rich, W3HWJ
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Tue 06, 2012 11:26 pm |
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Joined: May Tue 30, 2006 4:46 pm Posts: 4805 Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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I am pretty sure that the XR2206 is no longer in production. My function generator uses a MAX038, which like the 8038, is no longer made.
Get 'em while you can.
Rich
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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Wed 07, 2012 1:03 am |
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Rich, W3HWJ wrote: I am pretty sure that the XR2206 is no longer in production. This is true. I have some NOS left over from other projects. I've never had trouble buying from Hong Kong, though. I saw one on this list for $2.39 with free shipping. http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/xr-2206?_ ... 2206962139I never knew these could go up to 2 mHz. If I were going to build one as a Part 15 exciter, I'd put it in small, enclosed metal box to act as a shield from the rest of the transmitter circuit. I have a tube LPB college transmitter that I want to try this with. Dave
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Rich, W3HWJ
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Wed 07, 2012 3:35 am |
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Joined: May Tue 30, 2006 4:46 pm Posts: 4805 Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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My MAX038 will give good output to about 18 MHz. Really disappointed that Maxim discontinued it.
Rich
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Flipperhome
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Wed 07, 2012 3:46 am |
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Dave Doughty wrote: I never knew these could go up to 2 mHz. The spec sheet I can find says max "typical" 1 MHz, although I see lots of 'kits' with it claiming 2MHz. Maybe this is a case of "well, it'll do it despite the spec." Btw, Mouser lists it, but has no stock, marked EOL. A search at Exar comes up with dead links.
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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Wed 07, 2012 3:56 am |
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Flipperhome
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Wed 07, 2012 4:24 am |
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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Wed 07, 2012 1:33 pm |
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The spec sheet chart that I read didn't give an absolute maximum frequency but they did say 1 mHz is typical. They claim it will go to "more than 1 mHz" in the introduction. I saw those DYI kits boasting 2 mHz. That's why I decided to give the circuit a try. My test circuit (which was on an old perf-board I built years ago set for 400 Hz) did go to 2 mHz after I changed the timing cap but it's output at that frequency was only about 1 volt compared to 3 volts at 1 mHz.
Interestingly, the chip can be amplitude modulated. I was surprised how good it sounded. After perfecting the circuit to provide the best stability, the next step might be to design a 100 mW linear amplifier.
Dave
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Flipperhome
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Thu 08, 2012 12:00 am |
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Dave Doughty wrote: The spec sheet chart that I read didn't give an absolute maximum frequency but they did say 1 mHz is typical. Well, that is, pardon the pun, 'typical' for a 'max' performance spec as you can't guarantee an "absolute maximum frequency," because not all can do it. What you guarantee is a 'minimum' max, what all are guaranteed to do, and that number is 500 KHz. Then they say 'typically' they can do 1 MHz, but that's not guaranteed. What the distribution is between the extremes and 'typical' I don't know but it's possible the curve has shifted upward as the process improved. However, if you were building something to sell the best the spec guarantees is 500 KHz so I'm not sure what the kits are basing the 2MHz on. Maybe they do their own component screening and then sell the others as individual parts, which would mean they're unlikely to hit 2 MHz. Dave Doughty wrote: They claim it will go to "more than 1 mHz" in the introduction. I saw those DYI kits boasting 2 mHz. That's why I decided to give the circuit a try. My test circuit (which was on an old perf-board I built years ago set for 400 Hz) did go to 2 mHz after I changed the timing cap but it's output at that frequency was only about 1 volt compared to 3 volts at 1 mHz. That's another possibility. It might be they'll do 2 MHz but not be 'in spec' for the rest, like output swing, at that frequency. And maybe it can't handle the spec'd output load (overheat) at that frequency. Don't know and can't tell. Dave Doughty wrote: Interestingly, the chip can be amplitude modulated. I was surprised how good it sounded. After perfecting the circuit to provide the best stability, the next step might be to design a 100 mW linear amplifier. If they'll do 2 MHz but just not at full output then that's workable since one could compensate for it. The problem is there's no way to know from the spec because it only guarantees 500 KHz.
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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Thu 08, 2012 2:41 pm |
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Yep - that's why I figured I'd experiment with it first before committing myself to do a complete project.
Dave
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35Z5
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Thu 08, 2012 4:44 pm |
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While I've been silent, I am watching this project with keen interest...
tom
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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Thu 08, 2012 5:15 pm |
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Rich, W3HWJ
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Thu 08, 2012 6:02 pm |
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The MAX038 was originally introduced to be a better 8038, the function generator pioneered by Intersil. It will indeed go out to 18 MHz. Sadly, Maxim discontinued it.
Probably the gain of some of the chip's transistors starts to fall off as the freq. increases. Eventually, it just won't have any output at some extended frequency. Another issue is parasitic capacitances on the chip that can limit HF performance.
So, if you can find these chips, they are useful and fun to work with. Don't design anything that you need to replicate, however.
Rich
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Sam T
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Sat 17, 2012 7:30 pm |
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Along with 35Z5, watching with interest. Ordered two of these from Hong Kong, waiting on delivery. I'd like to see the MP3 Player discussed in this thread ( http://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=184399 ) combined with this XR2206, a cheap/common wal-wart and a nice small enclosure. But the MP3 player wants five volts, XR2206 wants 12. -Sam T.
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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Sun 18, 2012 7:32 pm |
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35Z5
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Mar Sun 18, 2012 10:17 pm |
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Dave, that's a neat piece...
A nice sine wave can be produced at BCB freq with 150 to 390uh in series with the output...
Tom
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Arnie-AE
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Apr Tue 03, 2012 8:25 pm |
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When this thread started I ordered a couple of the chips on eBay. They were about $2.25 each free delivery, which took about 3 weeks from China. Interesting chip with a lot of possibilities.
How about taking a fixed oscillator and mixing it with the output from the function generator to get a variable output at a higher frequecy? Use the function generator chip like a PTO.
arnie
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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Apr Wed 04, 2012 2:36 am |
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Burnt Fingers
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Apr Wed 04, 2012 2:44 am |
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Dave Doughty
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Post subject: Re: Simple VFO for AM Transmitters Posted: Apr Wed 04, 2012 3:13 am |
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