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munali
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Post subject: How do you recognize an AVC circuit? Posted: Apr Thu 19, 2012 12:40 am |
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Joined: Aug Fri 21, 2009 7:45 pm Posts: 204 Location: Port Dover, Ontario
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If I have the schematic for a radio in front of me, what do I look for to see if the radio has an AVC circuit?
It's a bit of a mystery to me so I thought that I would ask!
Thank you for your help.
Joseph
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Johnnysan
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Post subject: Re: How do you recognize an AVC circuit? Posted: Apr Thu 19, 2012 12:47 am |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 11441 Location: Albuquerque, NM 87123
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You will see a feedback loop, normally a high value resistor from the 2nd IF back to the 1st IF and the RF stage (like the antenna/antenna coil).
This is a very basic explanation, as there are several similar ways to do it.
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pixellany
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Post subject: Re: How do you recognize an AVC circuit? Posted: Apr Thu 19, 2012 12:55 am |
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Joined: Jul Mon 26, 2010 8:30 pm Posts: 5531 Location: Annapolis, MD
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Look at the circuitry feeding the control grid of any RF or IF stage. If the DC voltage is being controlled from somewhere else, that's probably AGC (AVC).
Example: If a stage has a grid resistor to ground + a capacitor to the previous stage, then it does NOT have AGC.
_________________ "It's always something". --Gilda Radner My name is Mark, and I have a radio problem
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Peter Bertini
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Post subject: Re: How do you recognize an AVC circuit? Posted: Apr Thu 19, 2012 1:03 am |
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Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 12453 Location: Somers, CT
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If you can post the radio model, or better yet, a link to the schematic on Nostalgia Air, I am sure someone can walk you through the AGC path
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FM Refugee
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Post subject: Re: How do you recognize an AVC circuit? Posted: Apr Thu 19, 2012 4:56 am |
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Joined: Sep Fri 07, 2007 2:21 am Posts: 1841 Location: Brunswick, ME 04011 (USA)
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...AGC/AVC is usually derived from the detector stage, is it not? If you look at your detector stage, you will usually see a recovered audio path leading to the high side of your volume control. Usually there will be a fairly small capacitor to ground on this line to strip away the IF frequency and leave the audio. If you see another path branching off this audio path (usually through a resistor) and leading back into the RF and/or IF section, that's probably going to be an AVC or AGC line. The AVC line will also be more heavily filtered (larger cap value; you'll typically see an electrolytic on it) than the audio line (on the audio line, you only want enough filtering to remove the residual IF frequency and leave the audio frequency; on the AGC line, you want to filter it completely to derive a DC voltage that is directly related to the amplitude of the received signal. This voltage is fed back to the RF and/or IF stages and varies the gain in those stages by 'tweaking' the bias voltages such that the stronger the signal, the lower the gain)...
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radiotechnician
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Post subject: Re: How do you recognize an AVC circuit? Posted: Apr Thu 19, 2012 4:56 pm |
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Joined: Sep Thu 23, 2010 6:37 am Posts: 4083 Location: Powell River BC
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Chapter 12 of Elements of Radio Servicing, Marcus & Levy, on detectors and AVC would be a good start. The book is online and can be downloaded. It is an easy read.
The other way is to read up on variable mu tubes like the 35, 6D6, and 6BA6 because they came into being because of the need for AVC.
Some sets also have QAVC.
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DragonForce
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Post subject: Re: How do you recognize an AVC circuit? Posted: Apr Fri 20, 2012 1:07 am |
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Joined: Feb Sun 05, 2012 3:41 pm Posts: 365 Location: Bristol, SW England
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Robert H.
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Post subject: Re: How do you recognize an AVC circuit? Posted: Apr Fri 20, 2012 1:56 am |
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Joined: May Fri 02, 2008 12:37 am Posts: 357 Location: South Carolina
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On the schematic of a typical AA5 or AA6 the AVC circuit ends at the terminal on the inside winding of the loop antenna. You can start from this point and follow it's path.
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