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 Post subject: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Thu 05, 2012 10:42 pm 
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Hello all Forumites. I renovated this set about three years ago and it works well. The only problem I have is that there was no cabinet with it (flea market) and I suspect because of it's size that it may be from a floor model. 14 in wide and 10 in deep. The tube line up is 24,24,24,24,45,80. I have searched for months and although I located a set on E-bay, I believe. the pic was obviously not the right one in spite of all the specs agreeing exactly with my set. The most obvious difference was the tuning knob which in the E-bay pic is shown BELOW the level of the volume and tone knobs. Other pics I have found have also shown the tuning knob in this position although there are variances. The tuning knob on my set is ABOVE the level of the other controls, and the escutchen plate (tuning window) is above that. I know that there were company changes......ie to Phonola, Dominion Electrohome etc. and that sets were made for a number of dept stores, each naming their own brand. Electrically this is identical to the Phonola 63 but I can't find a pic of that either. Someone must have a pic of this set somewhere, my intention being to make a replica. There may have been a short production run due to a number of reasons but I have yet to find any further info on the cabinet. I shall revere the name of the indivual who comes up with an answer..............regards, Phil


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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Thu 05, 2012 10:50 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Fri 06, 2012 5:34 pm 
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Thanks for your efforts Mike, sorry to say that pic ain't the one! I wish I knew how to post pics, then you would have a better idea what my chassis looks like. As I mentioned, the tuning knob is above the level of the volume and tone knobs, the escutchen plate is slightly above that, and as such, there is no way my chassis could be made to fit the cabinet shown. There is no question that the metal labels on my chassis are original since they are rivetted in place. This label contains all the same info attached to your pic so there must have been a change in the production run at some time. I am sure that there has been no alterations to the chassis (eg, hardware removed etc) that might have enabled a tuning control below the tone and volume knobs via some kind of drive eg. This, being a Canadian product may be more obscure than the usual products discussed in this forum.
Any ideas why the only three cabs I have found are similar to the pic you sent although even they are slightly different from yours? Got to get to the bottom of this somehow!!! Thanks ......Phil


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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Fri 06, 2012 10:26 pm 
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Phil, email me the photos in full resolution and I'll downsize them and post them in this thread. Send them to: feldtm@msn.com.

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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Sat 07, 2012 11:29 pm 
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OK, her's some photos of Phil's Serenader 2171. Quite different from the 2171 that I posted, which incidentally, I found on the internet. It could be that the person who made the photo of the 2171 might be wrong in identifying it. Phil's 2721 has an ID tag on the back which clearly identifies it as a 2171. I don't know that much about Senerader but I'm sure some Canadian collectors will be able to shed a little more light about this model and produce a photo of a cabinet for this chassis.

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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Sat 14, 2012 12:57 am 
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Wow. You got that thing shining! Nice. The best I could do with mine is polish the bulbs and clean the sheilds. I have to ask... whats your secret? LOL

Its interesting that I have the same number on my chasis, but its configured completely differently. This is going to complicate restoring it slightly.

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I see the one I have is a Super Heterodyne and Phil's is a Shield Grid, interesting they give them the same number.

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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Mon 23, 2012 9:40 pm 
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Hi Ledsoul.............thanks for your interesting comments.....this radio was a complete strip job right down to the chassis and each component cleaned and checked before re-assembly. I am beginning to wonder if someone, during the time this was built, went completely berserk with whatever filing system they had back then, and somehow managed to put the same ID tags on superhets, trf sets and whatever.......?? I have seen at least three sets that appear quite different which bear the identical information. Since I have all the technical info on my chassis which works well, I'm just as curious as heck to see what the cabinet was like. (I suspect it's a floor model, since the size of the chassis is a bit big for a table top set). There just has to be some good soul out there that has one of these, mine surely can't be the only one!!! Even a Phonola model 63 or 120 might be a start. Regards to all.........................Phil Pearce


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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Sat 28, 2012 7:08 am 
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The casing I found my radio in would likely fit your radio chasis also...
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They appear to have the same dial and knob set up. The base of my chasis measures 15.5" Note the third photo above.
Dont suppose it was a similar case that yours was in?

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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Sat 28, 2012 10:19 pm 
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Thanks for the pics Ledsoul, but the chassis I have will not fit your cabinet as the centre knob on your cab (which I assume is the tuner ) is lower than the other two knobs. If you take another butchers at my pic you will see that my chassis has the tuner knob higher than the other two. I'd be interested to see a pic of your chassis from on top and also underneath. I believe you said it was a superhet anyway. No, I have no cabinet with my set hence the lengthy search for someone with the same chassis AND cabinet. However, it's possible that the same cab (with modifications) could have been used for both versions. My eschutchen plate is different too. I like the look of your set so I may use the design for a home made cab. Anyhow, thanks for your efforts. Regards, Phil


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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Sun 29, 2012 5:25 am 
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I must have been looking at your chasis upside down. LOL I see now how different your setup is.
I am curious also to see if anyone finds something like yours online.

Meanwhile this is the top picture.
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Ill try to post a bottom image later.

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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Sun 29, 2012 7:22 pm 
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Here is a photo of the base of the chasis of the SuperHet as promised.
Likely noting like yours.

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I have closer shots of the components at mediafire.

And a different angle of the top showing the front knobs.
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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Sun 29, 2012 11:32 pm 
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Thanks for the pics Ledsoul..........actually if I had been thinking, I would have already seen the top view of your set. However the bottom view is not the same thing at all. I wish I knew how to post pics then I could send you a copy of my set's bottom. ( I nearly said then, I could send you a pic of my bottom, but it wouldn't sound quite rite!). As you have noticed the tuner knob arrangement is quite different to a number of otherwise similar layouts. I do like your cab, though, so barring the availability of the real pic, I may well have a go at building that, although I'm not what you'd call a cabinet maker by trade. I'll have to have a go at posting which would make life a lot easier for me.............I ashamed that most of the "newbies" seem to be able to do it yet I haven't figured it out yet........oh well.................Regards..........Phil


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 Post subject: Re: Grimes Serenader model 2171 Shieldgrid Batteryless Radio
PostPosted: Apr Mon 30, 2012 12:15 am 
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Phil you can add a photo of your radio in your post when you submit a post just click browse and add the file of your photo where its located on your computer. The way I prefer is to upload a photo to a internet site such as Photobucket or Flickr and paste that link between the image tags and presto it appears. That way you won't have to rezise it.
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[img.....Photo link....[/img]

That way you can show your radio bottom but not yours cause...that ain't allowed. :twisted:

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