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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
PostPosted: Jun Fri 08, 2012 11:42 pm 
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Hard to believe there would be enough vertical clearance, or was it mounted perpendicular? Still hard to believe it would have fit even that way. You should have laughed when you saw it!
With some of the Zenith chassis I'd swear they are deep enough that you could almost park a car under there.

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That is how it is under my Olympic chassis

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
PostPosted: Jun Sat 09, 2012 8:56 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
PostPosted: Jun Sun 10, 2012 2:13 am 
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badwaxcaps wrote:
What is your definition of a "hack" or "hack job"? :?:
Everyone's definitions will be different.

Here are things I consider indicative of a "hack job" relative to this subject (no particular order):

1. Patching new electrolytics across existing ones without removing the existing part electrically.

2. Bridging a wire to a terminal with solder in cases where the wire is too short.

3. Shoddy soldering that looks like someone tried to paint on the solder.

4. Use of a capacitor with a voltage rating at or below the normal operating voltage in-circuit.

5. User of a resistor with a power rating that is not at least 2 times the expected dissipation in the circuit.

6. Flying wire splices without insulation.

7. Multiple components joined in mid-air without a terminal (unless that was the way the radio was designed to be assembled - yeah they sometimes did stupid stuff back then).

8. Failure to install adequate safety items even if they are not "original." The house you burn down may be your own, or worse yet someone else's.

9. Use of improper insulation for spliced wiring connections (e.g. masking tape, transparent tape).

10. Mis-routing high impedance high-gain signal wires. This can mean routing them too close to filament or AC power wires, or even just pulling them up away from the chassis in a way that makes them more susceptible to hum pick-up.

11. Installing components with seriously wrong values (order of magnitude errors in component replacement).

12. Installing "susbstitue" tubes that really are not adequately equivalent (like remote versus sharp cut-off tubes).

13. Leaving out shielding that is supposed to be present (generally tube shields).

14. Creating a wire splice by just twisting wires together then insulating it so no one knows that it isn't soldered without cutting off the insulation. The exception would be the use of standard wire nuts where this is expected.

This could be never ending, but I'll stop.

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Thanks a lot Curtis, I now have 14 things i can,t do any more. It will now take me much longer to restore a radio
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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
PostPosted: Jun Sun 10, 2012 5:08 am 
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Let me describe some of the prior work I am encountering on the 37-610 "Big Bullet" thats currently on my bench.
1. 12mfd lytic replaced with a 125mfd lytic.
2. A replacement for the 16mfd lytic (22mfd) was not actually soldered in place. Leads just wrapped around the wires.
3. The tuner sub-assembly was removed and disassembled so caps inside it could be replaced. Was re-installed with
NO bushings and half the assembly screws either loose or missing. The band selector shaft's tail end was hanging
loose in space.
4. Solder blobs the size of marbles.
5. No connected ground straps from tuning condenser to chassis.
6. Shoddy tacked on solder joints.
7. Set was being operated with one original lytic and 6 original wax caps. (all WAY outta spec).
8. 9K 2watt resistor was broken in half somehow. The genius actually TAPED it back together then slid it back in it's
heat resistant sleeve :shock: .
9. Rubber chassis mount washers replaced with stacks of metal washers.

And the icing on the cake....

10. A horrible poly refinish job complete with runs galore!

Its getting torn down completely and rebuilt.

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
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A 125Mfd to replace a 12Mfd? i think thats a bit overkill..(supposed to be within 10% correct) and i thought i was bad for replacing a 4mfd with a 22mfd... Sounds like someone was too lazy to take 2 minutes to solder a cap in place or the person didnt know how to operate a soldering iron properly..

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
PostPosted: Jun Sun 10, 2012 8:12 am 
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This poor thing is really bad. It can certainly be salvaged but will take a bit of time. The cabinet is maple veneer. Its solid but has that hideous polyurethane on it :x .

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
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so the radio still worked ? poor fella probably was half blind by the looks of it. still at it. lets hear it for the blind guy a round of applause

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
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badwaxcaps wrote:
Let me describe some of the prior work I am encountering on the 37-610 "Big Bullet" thats currently on my bench.
1. 12mfd lytic replaced with a 125mfd lytic.
2. A replacement for the 16mfd lytic (22mfd) was not actually soldered in place. Leads just wrapped around the wires.
3. The tuner sub-assembly was removed and disassembled so caps inside it could be replaced. Was re-installed with
NO bushings and half the assembly screws either loose or missing. The band selector shaft's tail end was hanging
loose in space.
4. Solder blobs the size of marbles.
5. No connected ground straps from tuning condenser to chassis.
6. Shoddy tacked on solder joints.
7. Set was being operated with one original lytic and 6 original wax caps. (all WAY outta spec).
8. 9K 2watt resistor was broken in half somehow. The genius actually TAPED it back together then slid it back in it's
heat resistant sleeve :shock: .
9. Rubber chassis mount washers replaced with stacks of metal washers.

And the icing on the cake....

10. A horrible poly refinish job complete with runs galore!

Its getting torn down completely and rebuilt.

Did this set work when it was brought in initially?

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
PostPosted: Jun Mon 11, 2012 2:19 am 
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badwaxcaps wrote:
Let me describe some of the prior work I am encountering on the 37-610 "Big Bullet" thats currently on my bench.
I think we have a WINNER in the example category. :shock:

I am not sure you could put any more bad examples in the same radio! Whew.

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
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Stan Ski wrote:
Thanks a lot Curtis, I now have 14 things i can't do any more. It will now take me much longer to restore a radio
Glad to oblige :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
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I was told "it worked fine then just quit one day. Probably a bad tube" I have torn it down to it's guts and am still cleaning. The tuner assembly is back together properly but the tuning cap is getting a thorough cleaning before going back in. The chassis had considerable surface rust issues so it may get painted after cleaning to prevent the rust from coming back. I was able to fashion some decent replacement rubber grommets for mounting the tuner assembly back in the main chassis. I know there are repros available but I'm strapped for cash right now. My homemade grommets look nice and fit very well for now. Alot of wire to be replaced as well. I have never seen cloth wire deteriorate like this. The covering and insulation disentegrates when I bend the wire or try to strip it back a little. I'm gonna need to find some tube shields to replace the missing ones. Also need to get a set of tubes. Philco never liked using metal tubes in their radios from what I have read. This set came with 4 out of 5 tubes being metal :roll: . This thing is like a Greek tragedy..

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
PostPosted: Jun Mon 11, 2012 2:23 pm 
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badwaxcaps wrote:
I was told "it worked fine then just quit one day.
I'll bet that was all true. They just neglected to mention that after it "quit working" someone worked on it that had no clue what they were doing.

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Reminds me of my Grandfather's radio I found in a seed barn many years ago. In addition to the ravages of the outdoor elements and small furry rodents - there were "make-do" repairs on top of "jerry-rigs" - tubes, capacitors and resistors all subject to substitution - some values not even in the same stratosphere. Unfortunately - it wasn't due to indifference or ignorance - but a sign of the times. Dirt poor Georgia dirt farmers in the 1930's could scarcely afford a repairman - and even that assuming one could be found close by. Usually an uncle or cousin "so & so" had a self-taught leaning toward radio and did the repairs with whatever parts they could scrounge up. It's hard to do a 'neat' solder job when you're using a blow torch and one of those massive blocks of copper on the end of a iron rod. I had misgivings about restoring the radio and destroying it's colorful "history" - but the desire to proudly display it..... and even moreso - just to listen to a radio that a grandfather I never knew had listened to..... won out.

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gotta love the design

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I waiting for photos of a HQ-180 where the "evil" disc ceramic caps have been replaced with Orange Drops because "they have to work better" than those horrible microphonic, temperature unstable, junk caps :) Permission to publish would appreciated and credit line will be given.

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
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Does this count?
A Firestone Air Chief I recently acquired has a factory installed fuseholder mounted on top of the chassis. I noticed whoever owned this before replaced the 3/4 amp fuse with a 10 amp fuse.

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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
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One of two possibilities with that fuse. They either did'nt know or just did'nt care..

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My definition of a hack job is a repair done in an improper way, things added to the chassis not originally there (except stuff such as a fuse added for safety reasons), mods done that hurt the device's operation or proper mods done in an improper way.


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 Post subject: Re: Definition of a "Hack Job"?
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My un-hacking of this radio is progressing nicely. The caps have been properly soldered in. The frayed wiring has been replaced. New bushings installed to support the tuning sub assembly in the main chassis. And I took the electrical tape off that broken-in-half 9K resistor and replaced it crazy glue. Holds it together much better :wink: ...

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And I took the electrical tape off that broken-in-half 9K resistor and replaced it crazy glue. Holds it together much better :wink: ...

We have a new method of repairing high current resistors... :wink:

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