hey I was was wondering if anyone knew anything about this particular model of dual 1009 turntable. I cant find any pictures or information about it online. Thanks

They were nice changers AT THE TIME....... but their auto-drop spindles sucked when old.

Roughly comparable in era and performance to Garrard AT6/60 but Duals tend to be much harder to work on. Does look clean, externally.

It wouldn't interest me, but you're the one who has to decide.

Larry

I think it's pretty nice. Plays all 4 speeds, and has a speed control. Mostly made out of metal, unlike my mostly plastic 1980's Dual that's in storage...which only plays 33 1/3's, and 45's. I was never a big fan of Dual's odd cartridge heads. The connectors had to really be kept clean, and they were a bit finicky. Yes, I owned an earlier Dual from the 60's or 70's (1200 series, maybe?). It sure was good for playing 78's, though! Wish I had it today.

Disagree strongly. These Duals were much better than the AT 6 Garrards. Heck, they blew away the Lab 80 and Type A's The platter on this was a one piece die casting weighing over 6 pounds. The motor was completely enclosed. Bearings were lower in friction and overall rumble, wow and flutter, etc. were much better. As for hard to work on, I never had much problem with them. I could have the main cam pulled in less than a minute.

Of course you are at complete liberty to do so. Or to challenge me to a cam removal race (I suspect I'd win, it's only one E-clip).

Duals DO have more problematic mechanism pivots over time and are overall more difficult to dis/reassemble than Garrards. I've worked extensively on both at the commercial level.

Rumble, you may be right by as much as 3dB. If you can hear the difference in wow/flutter, by all means will your ears to science.

Here are pictures. Clicking on a picture will take you to the site it came from and may yield information. I find using Google Images to be a real time saver.

http://www.google.com/search?q=dual+100 ... 0QHC2J26BQ

Dave

The history of Dual turntables, in Canada at least went something like this:

Very early models, up to the 1006 were serviceable if you took the time to get the parts from
Germany, which took some attention to detail. People were suspicious of the little landing wheels
that dragged the tone arm across the record, and retracted when they dropped down over the edge.

Later Noresco started distributing the product line, tape decks, combos, and the turntables. The parts
were local and the manuals were available. For a time they were the king in the auto changer
trade, and even took a run at BSR and the OEM Garrards.

As was stated, their auto-drop spindles were in a word, cute when they worked, and easy to
get when they didn't.

The vinyl crowd, either dropped their disks automatically, or handled them manually one at a time,
so whatever the changer option did, they didn't care.



So if you find a Dual 1009 and up, with good rubber that runs at the right speed today, grab it as
a turntable and buy a junker BSR if you need a changer.

I won't argue that the overarm style Garrards were easier to work on, but I wouldn't make a blanket statement about Garrards in general being easier than Duals. E.g., if we had a contest for time in my removing a cam from a Dual 1219, vs you removing one from a Lab 80 or Type A, I guarantee you I would win that bet.
And it isn't as though Duals were that unreliable in their day. I owned a 1219 for at least 5 years, used it daily, and never did anything to it. Of course today, they're in need of a fair amount of work because they have a lot of the rubber parts that have dried out. And because they had things like variable arm height, damped cuing, and umbrella spindles, there's a lot more to go wrong. The top line units had more issues than the simpler ones like the 1019 or 1209, but they were all easily repairable once you got used to them. I also worked extensively on both Garrards and Duals..literally hundreds of them when I was service manager for a high end audio store.
My main attraction to Duals was that they were the first automatics that could truly claim performance on a level with many high end manual turntables. The arms tracked extremely well down to under a gram, the platters could be adjusted to exact speed, they were quiet for idler driven units, and they were smooth and elegant in their auto operation. They still bring pretty good money today for these very reasons

That's been my impression of Dual turntables as well. That's the reason that for many people it was a Dual or a manual, no other automatic turntable would do. And that's the reason that they are head and shoulders above Garrard or anyone else in terms of performance.

-David

I owned a 1219 and 1229 from brand new - yes, they were grand beasts - changers with details like polished screws in places you'd never see them....
Heavy cast platters and micro-machined bearings....
Fit and finish like a Mercedes....

And they performed excellently...... for decades.
Quiet as a church-mouse.

But yea, like us, time takes its toll... and rattiness sets in.

They may havew been head and shoulders above everyone else back then but as repairtech says "Ratiness" sets in, they dont
age well and suggesting someone new to turntables gets one is foolish, its not a beginers turntable.
for all your knocking of garrard and bsr least they stand the test of time, simply because there uncomplicated.

Try one, you might like it. Has a different feel from a Garrard or BSR. I have two small-chassis Garrards in the house that I use regularly, and they're fine, but the Dual is in a very different class entirely. You can tell just by operating it (or even by lifting it!). You can install a much higher-grade cartridge in a Dual compared to a Garrard because it will track at much lower stylus pressure. I inherited a Dual 1019 that I will need to restore one of these days.

-David

Wow, what a helpful answer, lol.