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 Post subject: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Thu 19, 2017 10:33 pm 
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What is the value of the Darth Vader in today's market I know the one on eBay went for over 5000 but what is the value for just a decent set with all the photo finish on it still. Also, how rare are they ???

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Fri 20, 2017 3:05 am 
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I am getting ready to restore one for a customer. Very impressive 12 tube set. This one has it's factory 15'' speaker. Value all depends on the buyer and how much he is willing to pay. With that said, I could see a good condition original Vader go for $1,000 or more. They have a shutter-dial, but different from the '37/'38 shutter-dial sets everyone is used to, same principle though. Popular and desirable radio for many in the collecting world. Be ready for rubber wire. I am in the process of getting my stock together, will be replacing the majority of rubber wire so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Fri 20, 2017 5:27 am 
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When the heck did Zenith make a radio model called "Darth Vader"?

OK, it's a rhetorical question, I assume Darth Vader is a cute nick name
that some people insist on using, I guess they think they sound cool or
that they know something no one else does. It's like calling Zenith's
zephers... or Atwater Kents "Atwaters", which just sounds dumb.

PLEASE use correct company names and radio model names or numbers.
It really helps cut down confusion.

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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Agreed Ron. Better yet, let's rid ourselves of the "love it, hate it" deciphering. Seriously, you're a radio fan or not. Every set had a reason, and when you consider basic communication, it's function over form !


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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Fri 20, 2017 6:11 am 
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You can always stick a nickname like 'Darth Vader' into RadioMuseum and see what comes up.

In this case, only one listing:
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/zenith_12s ... 2_s_4.html

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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Sorry I only been collecting for a about 3 years I thought everyone would know. I will use the model number next time :)

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Fri 20, 2017 1:59 pm 
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Many many radios end up getting a nickname from the radio collector community.

The Walton is a popular one even "Tombstone" or "Cathedral" are a collector community nicknames for the style.

I will agree that many nicknames are dumb, but getting all upset about the nicknames is just as dumb. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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Steve, I have to disagree that "Cathedral" is a nickname assigned by the collecting community. I've seen it used in a radio ad from the 1931 timeframe... surprised me when I saw it, because I'd also heard it was just a nickname. Wish I had bookmarked it, because now I don't remember where I saw it. Naturally. With any luck, I started a thread about it at the time. :?

I now return you to the topic at hand, "What's the value of a Zenith Darth Vader?"...

I don't know, but I know they don't come up for sale often. It's a big black dial Zenith, and we've all seen the price range they can sell in, depending on condition. I usually try to get the seller to say how much he's hoping to sell it for, and then decide whether the circumstances and the radio's condition seem like a deal can be reached. "Circumstances" include the usual host of intangibles--seller attitude, depth of my wallet, how much I want it, whether my wife is frowning, how far away it is, etc.

One thing to keep in mind about this particular radio is that it seems to be a polarizing model. Some people love it, some don't like it at all. And you really don't know until you see one in-person. The presence of a radio can be different from what it looks like in photos. I was gaga for the 12S267, until I saw one in person, and it just didn't impact me the way I'd imagined. Opposite for the 12S475... Once I saw one in person, I liked it even more. Each person's reaction is different.


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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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Rodney, I'm sure you are correct, but I wonder how popular it was in the 30s?

I'm afraid I don't have much of an offering of value opinion as I really don't follow the selling prices of the 12S475.
It is an impressive radio, I will agree, but the 12S471 made more of an impact on me, and I wanted one of those!

The 12S267 is a nice radio, and I own one myself, but I guess it didn't impact me (visually) as it has others.
I bought mine missing all tubes, all knobs, missing the speaker, the baffle and grill cloth. It clearly had a fire under the chassis involving the antenna coil and bandswitch. The motordrive was also damaged.

It took quite a bit of work to restore it, but WOW once it was up and running it was the sweetest sounding radio in my collection!
The bass was so smooth and deep! So it holds a special place in my collection still.

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Fri 20, 2017 5:38 pm 
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ktewell wrote:
Sorry I only been collecting for a about 3 years I thought everyone would know. I will use the model number next time :)



Well please excuse my ignorance, I've only been collecting about 47 years,
would someone please post a photo of the so called "Darth Vader" Zenith
so I can at least know what's being talked about.
I assume it's a late 30s black dial floor model. I like most of those,
I only have 2 black dial Zeniths, a 1938 9S262 and and my favorite a
1937 7S261. I wish the 9S was a 12S, but you have to take what falls in
your lap sometimes.
Below is a photo showing the 9S and 7S bookending my Atwater Kent
model 44 in the Spanish Pooley cabinet. Now there's a Federal Jr crystal set
sitting on top of the 9S, also now a 40ish Emud is on top of the 7S, and on top of
the AK is my Edison Gem cylinder phonograph.
All of these radios are in original unrestored condition.

These are sitting in the foyer of our home.


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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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The 12S475 is a nice looking console. I'm not keen on those that look almost like a table radio stuck on another box.

What is a "Shirley Temple" ... I know I like that one, think it may be Crosley

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Fri 20, 2017 6:04 pm 
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"Darth Vader": Zenith 12S475, as posted previously
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/zenith_12s ... 2_s_4.html

"Shirley Temple":
Shirley Temple advertised the Grunow Teledial radios, particularly the high-end consoles.
Type Grunow Teledial into the Simple search box at RadioMuseum.org and most of the models come up.
http://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/vie ... 1&t=267861


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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Fri 20, 2017 6:10 pm 
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Rodney is correct.
It seems the Grunow 1291 Teledial seems most associated with Shirley Temple.

http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/grunow_1291_ch_12b12.html

An ad with Shirley and the 1291 was featured in McMahon's book "A Flick of the Switch" which was one of the first antique radio collector books along with "Vintage Radio" also by McMahon. Though I think with "Vintage Radio" he revised and built upon an earlier publication.

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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Thanks.

I think the straight sided ones are most elegant with the rounded corners EG: 1541. Much more so than the 11 series where the vertical is split. These seem to be a rarer radio, I guess the 15's sold well so more around

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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Didn't mean that you should know what a Darth Vader is because you been collecting so long. I just assumed everyone not just you did.

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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The recent one on ebay came from my collection.
It was a great player and huge in size. A rare Zenith with a 15" speaker


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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Fri 20, 2017 11:14 pm 
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ktewell wrote:
Didn't mean that you should know what a Darth Vader is because you been collecting so long. I just assumed everyone not just you did.
Some people learn numbers better, other people learn names better. Usually I try to use both, if I know them both.

How many remember instantly what an Emerson BD197 is? Some do, but just as many will pick up on "Mae West" quicker.

y2k Bruce wrote:
The recent one on ebay came from my collection.
It was a great player and huge in size. A rare Zenith with a 15" speaker
To quote the listing, "I have had this radio in my collection for many years. I looked long and hard for years to find one with no woodwork or photo finish problems. I was lucky to find one."

I guess the seller wasn't speaking from actual personal experience. Now I'm curious if you gave him a write-up about the radio, or did he paraphrase that from his conversations with you? He certainly gives the impression he'd owned it himself for many years.

I wondered at the time, because I thought he was kind of out of the radio scene the last couple years. The Ozarka 93 he sold a little while ago, I found out later, had actually belonged to a guy I know out here... I thought it looked familiar, but didn't pick up on its origin till just recently. Too late to go back and check the ad.


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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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Westinghouse darth vader fan...


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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
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Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
When the heck did Zenith make a radio model called "Darth Vader"?

OK, it's a rhetorical question, I assume Darth Vader is a cute nick name
that some people insist on using, I guess they think they sound cool or
that they know something no one else does. It's like calling Zenith's
zephers... or Atwater Kents "Atwaters", which just sounds dumb.

PLEASE use correct company names and radio model names or numbers.
It really helps cut down confusion.



1940 Zenith 12-S-475. If you wanted to be of some valuable help to the original post instead of complaining and posting radios that have nothing to do with the question you would of typed Darth Vader Zenith into goggle and perhaps gave some valuable input to the question.

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 Post subject: Re: Zenith Darth Vader
PostPosted: Jan Sat 21, 2017 10:13 pm 
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tasar wrote:
Seriously, you're a radio fan or not.


We all are radio fans for the most part, just different likes and dislikes. I don't like battery sets. Some people don't like AC sets and the list goes on and on! Same with radio circuitry. It is what makes this hobby interesting and fun.

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