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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 3:05 am 
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simplex1040 wrote:
Ok, Enlighten me here. How the heck is Ebay confiscating shipments?

I ship direct to buyer , not to ebay.....


Only for sellers using the Global Shipping Program :

1 - seller of an internationally sold item ships item to GSP distribution point
2 - GSP decides the shipment is "restricted" for some reason
3 - GSP confiscates the item
4 - eBay refunds the buyer and lets the seller keep the money from the sale
5 - eBay sells the confiscated items en-masse to a mass seller who relists them using the original photos, but won't ship the imternationally


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 3:57 am 
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John Bartley wrote:
simplex1040 wrote:
Ok, Enlighten me here. How the heck is Ebay confiscating shipments?

I ship direct to buyer , not to ebay.....


Only for sellers using the Global Shipping Program :

1 - seller of an internationally sold item ships item to GSP distribution point
2 - GSP decides the shipment is "restricted" for some reason
3 - GSP confiscates the item
4 - eBay refunds the buyer and lets the seller keep the money from the sale
5 - eBay sells the confiscated items en-masse to a mass seller who relists them using the original photos, but won't ship the imternationally


OK, I had never heard of it, just saw all the drama in this thread.
i don't sell internationally.

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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 1:13 pm 
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I figure that most millenial-aged enviro-weenies (I borrowed another member's terminology; see above) don't even know or care what an electronic vacuum tube is (or, if one of them has Hg, they all probably have Hg....not) nor do they have any idea how we made calculations before electronic calculators, using slide rules, and using the printed tables in the backs of our trig & calculus textbooks, BC (before computers).

Fred


I bet those same idiots gladly use CFL bulbs and have thermometers around with mercury in them.



If my item ws confiscated Ebay had better send it back to me or I would be filing a lawsuit and if said item was relisted using my pictures I'd be adding copyright infringement to the lawsuit given those were pictures I took with MY camera.

Them sending said item to a reseller is shady at best.

Odds are the reseller sells the item at a much higher price especially if it is a rare or other valuable item.

So glad I don't sell on Ebay.


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 2:14 pm 
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My guess is that Pitney-Bowe's policy is based on the restrictions that EU nations have on importing goods that are not RoHS compliant, which includes anything that has mercury in it. PB doesn't want to lose money on having their shipments seized by finicky customs agents, so they are not willing to ship anything that is non-RoHS. I doubt very much PB will ever change their policy to allow for vacuum tubes to be shipped internationally, no matter how much people complain. In many ways, their policy makes sense: in return for taking on the financial responsibility for getting the item to its final destination, which includes getting the item cleared through a maze of 190 different import restriction policies, PB implements their own restrictions on what items they will deal with depending upon the destination.

Ebay should change their policy: they should ship the item back to the seller at their expense. If they are unwilling to take on that responsibility, they could at least give the seller the option of receiving the original item (seller pays shipping), or letting Ebay keep the item. The current policy allows "preferred" Ebay customers to privately buy confiscated items for pennies on the dollar and then resell them for a big profit, which is indeed shady, and not really the stated intention of the Global Shipping Program. Ebay could also explain in more detail why a specific shipment was confiscated as opposed to leaving it as an exercise to the users. What's also shady is that Ebay could easily disclose the nature of potentially restricted items, but so far have willingly chosen not to do so.

It's good that folks here are spreading this information by word of mouth; such knowledge sharing is likely to be far more effective than complaining to Pitney-Bowes about it.


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 3:01 pm 
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Tuberadio :

The fly in the ointment with wanting "your" item back is that it is no longer your item. Once you were paid and you shipped it off it belonged to the buyer. As long the payment you received doesn't bounce or is not retracted in some way you have surrendered all rights to the item. Then, the only person with any claim is the buyer.


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 5:19 pm 
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I contacted and talked to Canada's border services and restriction dept and they have told me that radio tubes are not RESTRICTED from comming into Canada.....So it seems that e-bay Pitney Bowes has given me wrong information , that our country CANADA is restricting these tubes from entering .


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 5:24 pm 
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As for the previous statement about payment made by e-bay for confiscated items , well if you paid by paypal , you have no choice in the matter . It goes on your account as accepted no consultation made and done.


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 5:43 pm 
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This kind of stuff is rampant in many places, not just government schools. Mucheck of the indoor air quality consulting done by Co sultan companies in the USA is to deal with paranoid claims or concerns based on ignorance, with a strong undercurrent of employees who are the next to be fired and tenants who want out of leases.

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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 5:50 pm 
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So we have to do something about it .... I am trying but need help before it gets too far out of control ....a class action against them will get them thinking in another direction ?


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 5:56 pm 
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This is starting to look more and more like trolling ....


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 6:08 pm 
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You seem to have a chip on your shoulders , a real downer.... negative all the time ......
This problem with Global Shipping is not new and has been happenning for a long time ... No one has taken the gutts to fight back ..... How many others have run into this situation ?..... I have now found other sources for my tubes ... I have nothing to gain back.....


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 6:32 pm 
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Rudedaddy wrote:
So we have to do something about it .... I am trying but need help before it gets too far out of control ....a class action against them will get them thinking in another direction ?


I agree it's pathetic that Ebay/PB is destroying these items needlessly. It's even worse that they seem to allow these listings to be made and the transactions to proceed that far. However, there's a difference between them doing a disservice to the hobby VS actually breaking the law.

A class action suit is pointless. When you sell or buy on Ebay, you agree to their terms. Unless those terms are illegal in some way, they aren't in this case, you have no case. Ebay/PB legally took possession of 'your' item when it arrived at it's sort facility. You agreed to that idea by buying/selling through the GSP program.

Through the GSP, the seller has effectively become a vendor to Ebay, hardly any different than if that seller owned a garden hose company that sold a bunch of hoses to Walmart. From the seller's/vendor's perspective, once he ships the item to Ebay/Walmart, it arrives safely, and he is paid, he doesn't own it anymore and has relinquished all rights to it. He was paid the agreed upon price, so legal compensation has been made. If I buy a really nice seafood dinner that a chef spent some time and skill preparing, it's mine to eat or throw away. It may be very rude and offensive to the chef, but so long as I pay him what we agreed to beforehand, he has no say once that plate touches my table.

From your buyer/customer perspective, you technically paid Ebay to buy the tube from him and then sell it to you. When you agreed to Ebay's terms you agreed that you understood this. Whether you actually did or not isn't their problem. You clicked that button and checked that box... Ebay refunded your money so no legal fraud has taken place.

Now, I fully agree that Ebay is acting foolishly in destroying tubes that aren't made anymore. It makes me angry to think that some very rare and valuable items might get trashed just because some ignorant person is too lazy to get an education regarding decisions they have to make. Having said that, you're beating your head against a wall if you think that a lawsuit is going to change that.


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 6:34 pm 
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Nope, not negative at all .... just realistic and tired of the "drama". Class action? Really? Get a grip. Old radio collectors are a fraction of a fraction of the millions of sales that happen on eBay every day. Antiques are not a necessity of life. Nobody will starve or freeze or get sick if you don't buy a tube from eBay, so why the drama?

Here's some sources from right here on one of the ARF lists :



Jim Cross - Vacuum Tubes, Inc. (http://www.vacuumtubesinc.com)
Tube Depot (http://www.tubedepot.com)
Bob Dobush - Find-a-Tube (http://www.findatube.com)
Radio Electric Supply (http://vacuumtubes.net)
John Kendall - Vintage Electronics (http://www.vintage-electronics.com)
Alton Smith - Antique Radio Tubes (http://www.antiqueradiotubes.com)
Surplus Sales of Nebraska (http://www.surplussales.com)
Leeds Radio (http://leedsradio.com)
Viva Tubes (http://www.vivatubes.com)
World Tube Company (http://www.worldtubecompany.com)
VacuumTubes.biz (http://www.vacuumtubes.biz)
Tube Center (http://www.thetubecenter.com); same business as ESRC1 (http://www.esrcvacuumtubes.com) and ABC (http://www.abcvacuumtubes.com)
Tube Shop (http://www.thetubeshop.com)
Tube Store (http://www.thetubestore.com)
Half Price Tubes (http://www.halfpricetubes.com)
A. G. Tannenbaum (http://www.agtannenbaum.com/tubes.asp)
dBtubes (http://www.dbtubes.com)
Pacific TV (http://pacifictv.ca)
National Capital Radio and Television Museum - tube sales (http://radiohistory.org/?page_id=59)
Fair Radio (http://www.fairradio.com)
Novelty Radio (http://www.noveltyradio.com/vacintro.html)
Soviet Radio Components (http://www.sovtube.com/10-tubes)
MDB Ventures (http://www.fourwater.com)

Pick one.


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 7:13 pm 
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Rudedaddy wrote:
I might as well get out of restoring radios as a hobby and go into clock restoration , unless there are unknown dangerous metals in that too.....
Going to start selling off my collection before the sky falls on them too.....


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 7:20 pm 
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Other sources , yes, but more expensive or do not have what your looking for.....

Yes I agree the problem is with Global Shipping ......they are stuck in believing that radio tubes are dangerous.....

The best thing I can do is not to use E bay at all now......they have soured my taste for any thing from them......In my own way , I will keep on fighting ......


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 8:19 pm 
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John Bartley wrote:
Tuberadio :

The fly in the ointment with wanting "your" item back is that it is no longer your item. Once you were paid and you shipped it off it belonged to the buyer. As long the payment you received doesn't bounce or is not retracted in some way you have surrendered all rights to the item. Then, the only person with any claim is the buyer.


Yes, but I was basing what I said off what was posted that the buyer gets their money back and the seller gets money.

I said what I did because I'd rather have my item back versus the money.



I think the thing about tubes is bogus, because how do new manufcature tubes get shipped or is it that the new manufacturwe tubes are ROHS compliant?


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 8:58 pm 
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FStephenMasek wrote:
This kind of stuff is rampant in many places, not just government schools. Mucheck of the indoor air quality consulting done by Co sultan companies in the USA is to deal with paranoid claims or concerns based on ignorance, with a strong undercurrent of employees who are the next to be fired and tenants who want out of leases.


Huh?


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 9:07 pm 
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Your right the seller should get their item back , but they don't. Once they E bay pays you , ( no choice ) it goes for liquidation.

Agreed again about the raw deal radio tubes have with Global Shipping . Any pre 70s tubes , that may include whole radios with tubes . So far , nothing more is going to be done , people are not getting motivated to stop this ?.... Just let it die ?.... My avenues are limited since the problem is on the US side of the border.......


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 11:39 pm 
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I don't use eBay Global shipping and don't know anybody who does. And obviously we now have one more reason NOT to...

The USPS won't ship items containing mercury internationally, so If I sell the few mercury rectifiers I have, it will be domestic only. The other 10,000 or so tubes can be sold internationally if I so desire. If you need a #83 for a tube tester in Canada, I'll bet one can be found there.


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 Post subject: Re: I found out why radio tubes are a restricted item!
PostPosted: Jan Wed 03, 2018 11:55 pm 
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Thanks for the info...... instead of e bay I have started to buy on the Etsy. web site.. They ship to Canada using USPS.... ...I should have no problem getting DUD tubes now......


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