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Pbpix
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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 5:30 am  Reply with quote

Boy oh boy... can't wait to pay $13.90 for a .1 uf "MUSIC" cap!

hurry... only eight available... lol
and how about this for a quality guarantee.. "Can't accept returns on electronic parts."

Ebay # 300292939051

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hovland-Mu ... ONTROL-NEW!_W0QQitemZ300292939051QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=&itemid=300292939051
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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 5:51 am  Reply with quote

Who cares about a guarantee. No one lucky enough to score one of the eight remaining Music Caps would ever even *think* of sending it back!

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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 8:31 am  Reply with quote

There are boutique guitar parts sites that sell musicaps for upward of $20 each.

I like them, and have used them in a few of my own guitars, but I bought them in lots for about $2.50 each, and thought THAT was ridiculous.
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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 12:50 pm  Reply with quote

dynadude wrote:
There are boutique guitar parts sites that sell musicaps for upward of $20 each.

I like them, and have used them in a few of my own guitars, but I bought them in lots for about $2.50 each, and thought THAT was ridiculous.


Hi Bryan:

You "like 'em" ??

OK why?

Do you think that you could ACTUALLY do a blind test and tell if there was a "music cap" in your circuit or not?

If you can then I respect your opinion of them... otherwise aren't you just fooling yourself?
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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 1:31 pm  Reply with quote

Well, I'm not enough of an audiophile to care, nor are my ears good enough to hear minor differences in sounds, so I sure won't criticise anyone else's choice of components and I might even think about buying some just to experiment with (curiosity), but.......$20 to ship one capacitor is a bit extreme.

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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 1:37 pm  Reply with quote

John Bartley wrote:
Well, I'm not enough of an audiophile to care, nor are my ears good enough to hear minor differences in sounds, so I sure won't criticise anyone else's choice of components and I might even think about buying some just to experiment with (curiosity), but.......$20 to ship one capacitor is a bit extreme.

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$20?
it says $3.66 shipping... no?
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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 1:37 pm  Reply with quote

A Solen 0.1uF 630V "fast" cap costs $1.45. A similar "orange drop" cap costs $1.30. Who cares about the "music" cap or other caps like that with a ridiculous price tag? Not me! I'd like to see the real technical specifications instead of the audiophool jargon.
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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 1:43 pm  Reply with quote

Pbpix wrote:

$20?
it says $3.66 shipping... no?


Here's what it costs to get it to Canada :

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US $20.50

Canada

USPS Priority Mail InternationalTM

varies for items shipped from an international location


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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 3:56 pm  Reply with quote

RC-coupling is relative cheap even at this price. Has anybody tried a set of transformers from alumrocktech. If you want one, be ready to trade your new car for it.
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 8:14 am  Reply with quote

bb.odin wrote:
...Has anybody tried a set of transformers from alumrocktech. If you want one, be ready to trade your new car for it.

Oddly enough, I hadn't even thought to check.Laughing I’m sure the difference makes it worth every penny, even if the audience can’t hear the slightest difference.

I think that they are buying this expensive snake oil just to impress their peers.

I met a man at a party that was showing his new $35,000 Rolex watch to his family and friends. It was a beautiful thing, more like jewelry than a watch. I respectfully asked him if he had ever, for one single second lost track of where that $35,000 watch was. He replied that he knew where it was every second and added that in his line of work, his peers respected that sort of thing. It was a symbol of success and of being one of them, a member of the club.
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Posted: Nov Tue 10, 2009 8:07 am  Reply with quote

Caps are more than microfarads and voltage ratings. It is much more plausible that one can hear variations in different caps than say, variations in resistors. When I see a pair of RCA patch cables going for 500 bucks I laugh. These same phools who buy these think they can "hear" the difference between copper and silver wire used to wire an amplifier. They also claim to be able to hear the difference between power cords. I saw a used 1/4 pound spool of solder go for a couple hundred bucks because it was the same solder used by Western Electric. Yes, they will also claim to hear variations in solder used. I have an old AES catalog describing some Music Caps(i think that was the brand) and some crazy broad(the maker of the caps perhaps) goes out on a limb and begins describing her "musical impression" of these caps. The most hilarious part is how she states the bass stays in pace with the tempo of the music. Now THAT was funny.

Just once, I would love to see Myth Busters do an audiophool episode. Wink
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Posted: Nov Tue 10, 2009 11:45 am  Reply with quote

There is some fairly sophisticated test equipment available in this new millennium. One would think that such monumental differences in sound would be electronically quantifiable and actually have units of measure assigned to them.

Example: Blackness = Negative lumens 0 to -10knL/sec (BNLS)
Sound Stage = Cubic meters of solid maple sage flooring. (CMMF) Wink

If the difference can't be seen on an oscilloscope at the speed of light, how can it be heard at the speed of sound? There surely must be some way that these sound qualities can be detected, measured and analyzed, that is if they truly exist.
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Posted: Nov Tue 10, 2009 2:14 pm  Reply with quote

According the audio lunatics, the more that is spent on a part or piece of equipment, the better it sounds. I like the claim that a $400.00 power cord connected between an amp and the wall outlet will make the amp sound better. I doesn't matter that the rest of the AC line is made of 40 year old wiring and connections. Harry
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Posted: Nov Tue 10, 2009 7:19 pm  Reply with quote

Big Harry wrote:
I doesn't matter that the rest of the AC line is made of 40 year old wiring and connections. Harry


What? You mean to tell me you are still living in the dark ages without silver romex? Laughing
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Posted: Nov Tue 10, 2009 11:20 pm  Reply with quote

Ed, I went to Home Depot and asked them for silver romex and they said that it had to be ordered and it's $300.00 per foot. If I buy it and rewire my house will my Philco 37-116 have more clarity and sound less chocolately? Harry
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Posted: Nov Wed 11, 2009 12:07 am  Reply with quote

Well I'm sure it would until the "silver migration" attacked
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Posted: Nov Sat 14, 2009 11:23 pm  Reply with quote

300 bucks a foot??? What is silver romex specified for, anyway? Silver is pricey stuff, but sheesh.

During world war II copper was in short supply or at least pretty much already spoken for. The secret programs for Calutrons (gaseous diffusion) at oak ridge and elsewhere were going to require enormous amounts of copper for motor windings and bus bars and that kind of thing. Somebody got the bright idea that since copper was unobtanium in those quantities, and Treasury was sitting on all kinds of silver, why not use that instead? It's the best conductor there is, even better than gold. I wonder if the phoolery gang knows this? Easy bar bet to win. Anyhoo, the secret projects ended up borrowing 13,000 tons or better!! It was wound into wire by Allis-Chalmers in Wisconsin. It would have been interesting to wonder what the workers were thinking.
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Posted: Nov Sun 15, 2009 12:15 am  Reply with quote

I was joking about the silver romex. I'm sure that anyone in the electrical dept. of Home Depot would think that I should be committed if I asked for something like that. The cpooer Romex in my house works just fine, though I did upgrade all of the outlets to the higher grade outlets because the wires fit tighter on the connections and plugs fit tighter in the outlets. Harry
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Posted: Nov Sun 15, 2009 3:34 am  Reply with quote

When one of General Grove's staff members went to the Dept. of The Treasury to request a loan of silver. he dealt with a Treasury official who had been cleared to be told about the A Bomb project. After he was briefed, he asked "How much silver do you need." When he was was told "X tons," he drew himself up and said "At The Treasury, sir, we speak of silver in ounces, not tons!"

BTW, the Calutrons were the electromagnetic separators, not the gaseous diffusion process. They used huge magnets, hence the need for silver to to make the wiring for the magnets.
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