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Posted: Nov Sat 07, 2009 11:27 pm  Reply with quote

OK, but I am getting totally lost here. The filaments do not have DC voltage on them, they run of AC.
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 1:18 am  Reply with quote

Cathode and one side of the filamet are tied togeather. Measure DC from there and chassis ground. I would probably unsolder the lead from rectifier cathode to the input choke and measure it again if it reads low the first time around. Also, measure B+ at the output of the last filter choke and see what you have there.

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 1:29 am  Reply with quote

Rectifier voltages. Seeing is believing. The schematic calls for a 5U4G, but it's been substituted with a 5R4GY.

Pin 2 (one end of filament), 5.20vac:


Pin 8 (opposite end of filament), .10vac:


DC voltage on the filament. Pin 2...12.60vdc:


DC voltage on the filament (opposite end of filament). Pin 8...12.95vdc


Power transformer secondary. Center tap to pin 4...299vac:


Power transformer secondary. Center tap to pin 6...298vac:


Across pins 4 & 6...596vac

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 1:42 am  Reply with quote

Then I would say the rectifer tube has lost its emission.
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 1:47 am  Reply with quote

Pull the tube and use a couple of SS diodes. Since the AC on the plates is fine, the tube isnt turning red and the transformer isnt groaning then there isnt much left.

Meanwhile PM me an address and I'll send a good 5U4 on Monday.

The diodes will let you at least work on the radio, alignment, etc. while waiting for the tube. Or you can just leave them there.

WAIT a minute, I just reread your post and Im getting confused....nothing new. You cant measure the DC between the filament pins as there is no ground reference. It has to be measured from Pin 8 to chassis ground.

Also check your meter to be sure its still working on DC.

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 1:59 am  Reply with quote

Burnt Fingers wrote:
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Pull the tube and use a couple of SS diodes.


Thank you for the tube offer, but I've already pulled Genoo's chain for one, and a few others.

Meanwhile, I've never subbed a tube with diodes before. I'm looking forward to doing it. Should be fun. I've got plenty of 1N5346B types. But I don't want to do it wrong and screw up the power transformer, so I'd appreciate it if someone would hold my hand and walk me through it. Once taught I'll not forget how it's done.
Shouldn't I be able to solder the diodes to the tube pins, up close to the base, then put the tube back in the socket? Just a thought.
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 2:42 am  Reply with quote

That is a 9.1V zener diode, no good for this.

Go to Rat Shack and buy four 1N4007's. You will wire two in series as two sepearte pairs. The banded end is the cathode and the other the anode. Wire the cathode of one to the anode of the other. Connect one pair with the anode to Pin 4 and cathode to Pin 8 and the other pair with anode to Pin 6 and anode to Pin 8. Leave the tube out.

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 3:18 am  Reply with quote

Carl,
Of course they're zener diodes. I hate brain-farts. But I'm still confused. Do the cathodes of both sets of diodes get hooked to pin 8? Doesn't something have to be hooked to pin 2?
Also, won't two diodes do the job/ I do have two on hand.

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Connect one pair with the anode to Pin 4 and cathode to Pin 8 and the other pair with anode to Pin 6 and anode to Pin 8.

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 3:36 am  Reply with quote

Nothing goes to pin 2 and both cathodes go directly to the filter cap and choke via Pin 8. Its a standard full wave rectifier circuit.

One 1N4007 in each leg is cutting it close but should work. Just keep a close watch on them while working on the set.

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 4:28 am  Reply with quote

Thanks again, Carl. Too pooped to do it tonight. I'd make a mistake. Tomorrow morning it'll get the works. I sure hope this solves the problem.
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 3:23 pm  Reply with quote

And here it is, folks. Many thanks to Carl for the diode idea and installation guidance. He was right on:



Two questions: To get reception, I have to keep the sensitivity maxed out. Is that normal for this unit?
Also, the antenna compensation adjustment (located below the S-meter window) works fine, but it spins it round and round. Shouldn't it have a stop tab or something?
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 3:32 pm  Reply with quote

With the AVC on, you would usually set the sensitivity control at maximum. The antenna trimmer capacitor has no stops and will go around and around.

Glad you got the set working!

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 3:44 pm  Reply with quote

Nice!

What are you using for a speaker? It's sounds great, in your video.
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 5:08 pm  Reply with quote

Nice work John. You sure are getting your moneys worth out of that camera.


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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 5:40 pm  Reply with quote

gvel wrote:
Nice!

What are you using for a speaker? It's sounds great, in your video.


It's an 8-ohm speaker from a cheap stereo unit we had stored in our shed. Cheap, but works pretty good.


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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 5:46 pm  Reply with quote

Uffda wrote:
Nice work John. You sure are getting your moneys worth out of that camera.


-Phil


Phil,
This is just the beginning, my friend. I'm not about to let it sit around collecting dust. But I still have to improve the audio problem after upload to Youtube. The vids sound tinny with a slight echo. I don't like it that way. Could just be the compression Youtube does, but I think there's a way to somewhat compensate with the camera or its associated, albeit limited, editing software. I have to figure it all out.
I'll do it in my spare time. Rolling Eyes
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 5:50 pm  Reply with quote

HURRAY!! Congrats !! I had a feeling it wasn't a big problem. Keep going with it, you'll really like thei radio. If you need a NOS JAN 5U4 I have a few extras. Good Luck!! Ross
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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 5:53 pm  Reply with quote

It isn't often a rectifier tube looses all its emission like that without the filament opening up. The 5R4 is a tube that is rated at higher voltages, but less current than the 5U4 tube is. But still the HQ-129X would not draw enough current to harm the tube. I suspect that the tube was well used in something else before it was plugged into this set.

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 9:07 pm  Reply with quote

Could the rectifier tubes have been so depleted that a really leaky filter cap or some heavy draw down line wouldn't make the tube run into meltdown mode? I've never ran into that but it sounds feasible? Especially at the DC output voltages he's getting there. I need some wisdom here to figure that one out.

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Posted: Nov Sun 08, 2009 10:28 pm  Reply with quote

Glad thats fixed John Laughing Ive been outside all day cutting trees and clearing brush.

Whats with the crystal filter switch?

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