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 Post subject: Dual 1009 Turntable
PostPosted: Jul Sun 18, 2010 2:17 am 
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Hello all,
Does anyone know the approximate value of this Dual 1009 Turntable?
It appears to be working fine. My neighbour was going to throw it in the garbage!
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PostPosted: Jul Sun 18, 2010 5:05 am 
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Dual 1009's in good condition are hard to find and some people will pay BIG bucks for one.

They DO need a good overhaulling/re-lubing to perform properly, but were one of Dual's finest turntables.

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PostPosted: Jul Mon 19, 2010 5:33 am 
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ive been hunting for one of those down here for a while. they play 78's. its tough to find a quality table to spin 78's on when your digitizing records.

by far NOT garbage. if you have any records, its a nice table. if you have any 78rpm records, get a correct 78rpm needle for it and you'll have an excellent table to spin those old records on.


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I love the 1009's I've had one since 1968, in the past I've bought a couple of new tall automatic spindles for it but I don't have a good one now and they have gotten impossible to find. The automatic 45 rpm spindles are plentiful and robust but the little rubber pads that held up the stack while the bottom record dropped are always gone on the LP/78 spindle.

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Thanks for the info everyone, I'm going to find some records and try it out. I'll probably end up selling it.


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Be careful not to spin it backwards - if it is in cycle it will bend the cam trigger. Cardboard or matchbooks under rim of platter for safety.

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I have one now, actually sitting across from me. They are pretty nice machines, and with a good idler and fresh lube they sound very nice. They - for now - are not worth as much as a 1019 which came after this one. You certainly lucked out as yours is in nice shape and has the base and dustcover, so you could flip it pretty easy on CL or ebay, or here. A quick search of closed ebay auctions should give you an idea of the potential. Good luck.


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eb2jim wrote:
I have one now, actually sitting across from me. They are pretty nice machines, and with a good idler and fresh lube they sound very nice. They - for now - are not worth as much as a 1019 which came after this one. You certainly lucked out as yours is in nice shape and has the base and dustcover, so you could flip it pretty easy on CL or ebay, or here. A quick search of closed ebay auctions should give you an idea of the potential. Good luck.


Jim, sorry to correct you, really, but a turntable doesn't have a "sound".
It should be virtually silent.

That is unless, they're in sad shape and in need of repairs, clunkin' and clankin' and squeakin' all over the place..

A lot of people have the tendency to say "it sounds nice" but the correct terminology is:
"They are pretty nice machines, and with a good idler and fresh lube they perform very nicely".

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Thanks for pointing that out. I will be sure to take that into consideration when I work on my Garrard turntables...

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If the idler turns out to be bad, send to Terry's Rubber Rollers.

Do not try to use this with a cartridge that uses a delicate, high-compliance stylus. This works well with cartridges like the Shure M44E.

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The 1009 has an interesting quirk. In MANUAL mode, the manual lever won't latch on unless the arm is OVER the record.

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The multiple-play spindles for these are problematical. There are rubber grippers inside the spindle that get brittle and disintegrate. The Turntable Experts on Long Island (aka South Street Service Company) rebuild them, but not with 100% success. Still, they are the ONLY company offering a rebuild service.

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Dust the plinth and mat with a natural bristle brush. Don't use a nylon bristle brush.

Enjoy your machine!!!!

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Often it's necessary to bypass the crimps in the cartridge carrier (headshell), to cure persistent signal loss, even after the audio cables have been replaced. If you run into this problem, email me, and I'll tell you how to do the bypass service.

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What's the problem with a nylon brush, Fred?

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I think Fred is saying that nylon brushes scratch the enamel and tear up the rubber, and they just don't sweep the dust away as effectively.

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PostPosted: Aug Tue 10, 2010 3:10 am 
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Yes, Dave --
nylon is extremely hard on the Rockwell or Mohs hardness scales. Hard enough to scratch cheap pot metal. Hard enough to cause ugly hairline scratches on the plastics of most audio components.

Natural bristles from horses or pigs are softer than those plastics. That's why I only use natural bristles. I particularly like brushes made by Purdy (available at Home Depot).

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PostPosted: Sep Sat 25, 2010 3:41 am 
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Was just looking though the net for a 78 stylus for this turntable when I ran across this post. Not too old so it may still be worth commenting. Randy restored one for me I am enjoying at the moment. I had begun once again to purchase some 78 albums and will need a stylus.

But that wasn't why I replied. I see the discussion on the faulty drop spindles. I think it was on this site that someone had a post on how to repair them. I had excellent luck with fixing mine. All it took was cutting tiny pads from a Jar Rubber like used in canning way back, they still make them or they show up on ebay or other antique malls cheap. I used some Aleen's tacky glue I purchased at walmart to dap a bit on the rubber pad and place it on the metal rest in the arm with a tweezer. Let them dry and they have been dropping records for at least 8 months or more. I think it took a couple tried to get them exactly the right position, but they are fixable for sure. I don't see why anyone handy would have to send them to so specialist?

As to the capabilities of playing 78s with the 1009, it seems from the thread that it was a decent choice for that. I also have an Elac of the same period I was finally able to get a 78 stylus for it but when I tried to play 78's on it, the sound was awful due to the surface noise. I know I have ask about filters for the phono line, but if one were to look for a used amp. from the 70's or so, are there any with provisions for a line correction built in? If so what brand or model?

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PostPosted: Sep Sat 25, 2010 9:05 am 
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Larry,

You may have a better "touch" than most people. The parts that fail on the multi-spindle are the three rubber grippers that keep the records above the record currently dropping from also dropping down. If they fail, the ultimate penalty is that a record may drop on top of the arm! -- and that is a very bad thing. Alternately, a record may drop down at an angle, and either bang into the arm or interfere with cycling. The grippers are "piston expandable," so many types of rubber will be either too supple or too stiff.

Mechanical tolerances must be tight to work correctly over a fairly wide range of hole diameters in the centers of the records.

So . . . I commend you!

Fred
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Thanks, Fred, for your comment on nylon bristles. I didn't notice you replied and just now saw it.

Natural bristles from now on,
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 Post subject: I have a DUAL 1009 F
PostPosted: Feb Thu 03, 2011 4:43 pm 
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Hello,

I have a Dual 1009F. I tried hooking it up to the stereo system I have, but has different wiring almost looks like something for a dvd player.

I has the 45 insert, It can play 33,45 and 78.

Very clean.

I'm wondering why the player is so loose from the base. Is that to keep it balanced?

I was going to throw it out today. As, I've had it for several years and it's been collecting dust. I have both books Owners manual
and the complete test reports from leading audio publications on it.

I guess there were three models that were compared at the time:
Dual 1019, Dual 1009sk and the Dual 1015.

Report is cool to look at.

ANYWAY, mine looks different than other 1009's most buttons are white and mine is BLACK small square & plastic.

Any comments, please email me at: springmom1@gmail.com


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PostPosted: Feb Thu 03, 2011 5:00 pm 
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Do not throw it out.

Consider giving it away on Craig's List for free. Some hobbiest will want it. This is the precursor to the 1019, and an excellent table in its own right.

Fred
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