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 Post subject: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 02, 2019 4:30 am 
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I saw this today at a local antique shop. The chassis and speaker are present, complete except for a few missing tubes. The owner wasn't present so asking price is unknown as is the model #. I don't see it in Stein's.
The cabinet is quite ornate, but missing a hind leg and most of the top veneer.
Question: Is it worth more than $35?
Second question: Are there any buyers for these consoles (bearing in mind that I restore these because I enjoy it, I dont care if I take a loss, but when its time to clean up the garage I don't want to just donate it to a thrift store).
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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 02, 2019 6:21 am 
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but missing a hind leg and most of the top veneer.


That's pretty much the death nail for most people.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 02, 2019 2:46 pm 
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The missing leg could be replicated; I wouldn't pay too much in that condition.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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I suppose a woodworker could work from an intact leg and make a workable replica. Being ornate and carved to an odd shape it would probably cost more than the radio. IF you wanted it for yourself to use, a simple round leg would suffice to support it and being in the back, would maybe not stand out as an eyesore so much. Find out which tubes are missing. If someone has robbed,say, a pair of 45s or something, you are looking at more money than the radio. However alot of the tubes are probably cheap. IF it is laying in the middle of the floor like that, in the way, and can't stand up, I am willing to bet they took it off someone's hands for free or nearly so, and might want it out of the way, way cheap! Early highboys probably, in general, do not enjoy market demand from the public, and to a collector it would depend on desirability of the specific model. Do not expect a fast and easy flip.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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I'd say the less you pay the better, but $35 seems like tops to me.

And I guess whether there's a buyer waiting depends what condition it's in at that time. If it still looks like this, finding a buyer will be tough. But if it's "living room ready" you might find a buyer who simply wants it as decoration.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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Gentlemen, thanks a bunch. Those were pretty much my thoughts too. I would still be curious to know what model it is, if any Silvertone fans out there can identify this. It looks like it has 10-12 tubes.


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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
PostPosted: Dec Mon 02, 2019 4:49 pm 
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I don't have the book handy, but take a look in the book "A Flick of the Switch" by Morgan McMahon.
I remember seeing a similar radio in the Silvertone section.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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That many tubes? Must be a superhet then. Maybe. If you get it for say 25$ you got your money's worth in parts it would seem.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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Very good Steve... :)

Morgan lists it as model R 7459 12-tubes ~1933
Page-171 A Flick Of The Switch by Morgan E. McMahon. 1930 - 1950

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Edit: Possibly a tube complement of...
4-58 2-56 27 3-46 2-80 as used in models 1652 and 1654
http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/708/M0016708.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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R7459 is a Colonial part number, and not a Silvertone model number; he probably got it from the tube label. If you get the radio, post the tube lineup, and we can identify it.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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Cut the other back leg off. Then find two donors that match the style and each other. Reattach and you're all set!

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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The complement of tubes can be seen here...
viewtopic.php?p=953366#p953366

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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I would consider making a plaster or plastic casting of the leg reinforced with a metal rod. A metal mounting plate welded to the rod where it attaches.
There, I considered it. :lol:
Most of those radios have spreaders between the legs, stronger.

Finding another Silvertone cabinet is also a possibility. I'd have it in the car already for $35.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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Gentlemen, I went back to the store over lunch today, and looking closer at the chassis, noted someone had written "Model 1652u" in pencil. I did notice a type 56 tube, so it's probably a model 1652, as noted above, a 12 tube monster. Unfortunately, Radio Museum does not post a picture so I have no way of verifying that it is in fact a model 1652. I don't see a photo of this model in Stein, nor anywhere on the internet, so its probably somewhat rare. The extra scrollwork on the cabinet would seem to indicate an up scale model.
Also, a close look at the front of the cabinet reveals that some of the walnut veneer is missing there too. So I'll probably pass. Or not. Still thinking about it vs. all my other projects vs room in my garage, etc.
Thanks for all your comments.


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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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With 12 tubes, it would probably perform well when restored.

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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John wrote: Unfortunately, Radio Museum does not post a picture so I have no way of verifying that it is in fact a model 1652. I don't see a photo of this model in Stein, nor anywhere on the internet, so its probably somewhat rare.


Why do you need a photo from radiomuseum.org.
Didn't you read my post.

The radio is photographed and listed in Morgan's book in 1975 as a 12-tube model R 7459
and... as Tim says, manufactured for Sears by Colonial.

My copies of Morgan's books are all signed first edition hardbacks given to me by Norm. I have no intention of breaking their spines on my scanner.

If you are scared of the old three legged gal, it would be best to walk away and let her die in peace.
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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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Fortunately, I have an old copy that is all falling apart, I don't mind opening up and scanning.

This is the image in the book "A Flick of the Switch" by Morgan McMahon.

Now that I am home, I have access :D

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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Well, that is certainly it! Thanks very much!


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 Post subject: Re: Identify this 30s Silvertone?
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Now are you convinced that radio needs your TLC? :lol:

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