Forums :: NEW! Web Resources :: Features :: Photo Gallery :: Vintage Radio Shows :: Archives
Support This Site: Contributors :: Advertise


It is currently Oct Sun 17, 2021 11:34 am


All times are UTC [ DST ]





Post New Topic Post Reply  [ 23 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Thu 10, 2021 10:52 pm 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
I just purchased this AK model 10A. I have yet to recieve it.
My question is the seller states it is gree, or "olive drab".
I was not aware the10A came in the green color. I find it very interesting that it is not the standard brown!
Is this unusual for a10A??


Attachments:
Screenshot_20210609-153809_Facebook.jpg
Screenshot_20210609-153809_Facebook.jpg [ 156.78 KiB | Viewed 1699 times ]
Screenshot_20210609-212629_Facebook.jpg
Screenshot_20210609-212629_Facebook.jpg [ 259.11 KiB | Viewed 1699 times ]
Screenshot_20210609-153826_Facebook.jpg
Screenshot_20210609-153826_Facebook.jpg [ 288.71 KiB | Viewed 1699 times ]

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Thu 10, 2021 10:58 pm 
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep Thu 14, 2006 3:27 pm
Posts: 14621
Location: Carmel, Indiana
I was always under the impression that the 4550 10As had brown paint but then I'm no AK expert. Interesting how much of that receiver looks like it just came out of a barn, yet, that ID tag looks to be in better then usual condition even with rusty nails in place. No discoloration and no paper rot.

Did this come off of Ebay? What's the auction?

_________________
Michael Feldt
www.indianaradios.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Thu 10, 2021 11:21 pm 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
Indiana Radios wrote:
I was always under the impression that the 4550 10As had brown paint but then I'm no AK expert. Interesting how much of that receiver looks like it just came out of a barn, yet, that ID tag looks to be in better then usual condition even with rusty nails in place. No discoloration and no paper rot.

Did this come off of Ebay? What's the auction?



It was from a personal collection of a fellow radio collector.

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Fri 11, 2021 2:53 pm 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 1795
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
There is the book Atwater Kent the man by Ralph Williams which will explain everything.

I was asking questions about serial numbers and some answers that were posted will help you if you look down the list for that post.

As I understand the model 10 was the first model manufactured by AK as a finished ready to go radio in 1923.

The first were called Radiodyne but changed to 10, look at tag on RF transformer.

The early sets had binding posts and no battery cable.

They had the green color which was called something Gray.

They did brown and black later.

Jim


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Fri 11, 2021 3:25 pm 
Member

Joined: Mar Fri 28, 2008 2:49 pm
Posts: 1436
Location: Phoenix, AZ 85085
As far as I know the 4550 10A should only have brown painted cans. It doesn't surprise me to see a green T/A on your set. Quite frequently the T/A went bad and was simply replaced with a different working T/A. This was undoubtedly done just to confuse collectors 100 years later.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Fri 11, 2021 3:53 pm 
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr Sun 01, 2012 9:55 pm
Posts: 13108
Location: Seattle, WA
In the following thread, Leigh Basset said the 4550 was available in brown or green:

https://www.antiqueradios.com/forums/vi ... p?p=279447

_________________
Rodney -- KG7EPW
Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut it with a chainsaw.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Fri 11, 2021 4:19 pm 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
palegreenthumb wrote:
In the following thread, Leigh Basset said the 4550 was available in brown or green:

viewtopic.php?p=279447



Thank you.

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Fri 11, 2021 5:13 pm 
Member

Joined: Feb Wed 25, 2009 4:06 pm
Posts: 1530
Location: Morristown, N.J.
I've had great success by removing the detector/amp and taking it to a paint store. At the store they took a sample color from the bottom of the D/A and then were able to recreate the color with their paint calculator. Semi-gloss latex makes for a perfect match however it will need to be diluted with denatured alcohol (NOT WATER!) and sprayed on with a $50 spray gun from Amazon and a compressor.

Diluting with water will leave water blisters when drying and making for a lousy paint job.

_________________
Pete AI2V

"It's always darkest before it's pitch black"


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Fri 11, 2021 8:25 pm 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
Thank you Pete!

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Sat 12, 2021 4:43 am 
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr Wed 23, 2008 2:34 am
Posts: 1144
Location: Silsbee, Tx
4550 sets in either model 10A or 10B should have brown cans. It would be interesting to see what color the bottom of the TA unit is.
However, I do have pictures of one verified 4550 that did have green cans, so I know it's possible, but not likely.

_________________
Thanks,
Jimmy

http://www.atwaterkentsrus.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Sat 12, 2021 11:46 am 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
I have not received it as of yet. However seller states the cans are "olive drab". Plus the picture certainly looks green. Yes, your correct, the underside will tell all.


Attachments:
Screenshot_20210609-212629_Facebook.jpg
Screenshot_20210609-212629_Facebook.jpg [ 259.11 KiB | Viewed 1442 times ]

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Sun 13, 2021 10:02 pm 
Member

Joined: Mar Fri 28, 2008 2:49 pm
Posts: 1436
Location: Phoenix, AZ 85085
atwaterkentsrus wrote:
4550 sets in either model 10A or 10B should have brown cans. It would be interesting to see what color the bottom of the TA unit is.
However, I do have pictures of one verified 4550 that did have green cans, so I know it's possible, but not likely.


The only reliable color test is what color the variable condensers are underneath their feet. I have no doubt the T/A unit on this set is green underneath. It was very likely replaced as a repair of the set.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Sun 13, 2021 11:05 pm 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
bigalarsen wrote:
atwaterkentsrus wrote:
4550 sets in either model 10A or 10B should have brown cans. It would be interesting to see what color the bottom of the TA unit is.
However, I do have pictures of one verified 4550 that did have green cans, so I know it's possible, but not likely.


The only reliable color test is what color the variable condensers are underneath their feet. I have no doubt the T/A unit on this set is green underneath. It was very likely replaced as a repair of the set.



That is quite possible. I will check tuning cap cans as well.

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Mon 14, 2021 1:13 am 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
I just spoke with seller. He confirmed all cans are green.
He is shipping it my way this week.
I will post pictures as the restoration proceeds.

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Mon 14, 2021 1:23 am 
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr Wed 23, 2008 2:34 am
Posts: 1144
Location: Silsbee, Tx
We know that the TA unit is easily changed. When you get the set, inspect and take pictures of the wiring under the board. Look very close where the tuning capacitors' wiring comes through the board and is soldered underneath. If these solder joints aren't factory original, the tuning cans also could have been replaced.

_________________
Thanks,
Jimmy

http://www.atwaterkentsrus.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Mon 14, 2021 1:25 am 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
Here is what I have so far. Seems quite odd if ALL cans were replaced. According to the great late Leagh apparently this came in two colors.


Attachments:
Screenshot_20210613-192425_Gallery.jpg
Screenshot_20210613-192425_Gallery.jpg [ 126.23 KiB | Viewed 1350 times ]
Screenshot_20210613-192418_Gallery.jpg
Screenshot_20210613-192418_Gallery.jpg [ 139.24 KiB | Viewed 1350 times ]

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Mon 14, 2021 1:36 am 
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr Wed 23, 2008 2:34 am
Posts: 1144
Location: Silsbee, Tx
The only reason Leigh said that was because I sent him a bunch of pictures of this set verifying at least one green 4550 was made.
It looks exactly like a later 4340 model 10, except it has a cable. The coils are even earlier type like many 4340's have.
Yes, I do know that some of these earlier coils also show up on regular 10A's.


Attachments:
Green 10A.jpg
Green 10A.jpg [ 220.27 KiB | Viewed 1345 times ]

_________________
Thanks,
Jimmy

http://www.atwaterkentsrus.com
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Mon 14, 2021 1:51 am 
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr Wed 23, 2008 2:34 am
Posts: 1144
Location: Silsbee, Tx
It looks like a lot of the wiring has been modified. You would have to look closely at the tuning capacitor wiring. If it has been resoldered, it may be hard to prove whether they were originally green or not. One positive thing I see is the serial number written on the tag is J1494, which is lower than any brown 4550 I have seen. What would help would be if the green one I have pictures of had a serial number written also. It is blank there and the other tag is missing, so I have no idea what it's serial number is.

_________________
Thanks,
Jimmy

http://www.atwaterkentsrus.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Mon 14, 2021 2:06 am 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 6889
Location: Bossier City, Louisiana
I will give it a very close examination apon arrival and post pictures.

Thanks!

_________________
Dave

http://pages.suddenlink.net/davesradios/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Color of Atwater Kent 10A
PostPosted: Jun Mon 14, 2021 2:52 am 
Member

Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am
Posts: 1722
Location: 66952, USA
I've never seen a green one of that model. Mine is brown. You may have just purchased a really rare variation. Then again, these things are so old, there is no telling what may have been done with them along the way except for some tell tale clues of manipulation.


Top
 Profile  
 
Post New Topic Post Reply  [ 23 posts ]  Moderator: sofaslug Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 52 guests



Search for:
Jump to:  


































Privacy Policy :: Powered by phpBB