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 Post subject: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
PostPosted: Feb Fri 15, 2019 2:38 am 
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I don't come across many of these-if it were closer, I'd grab it. $25.00

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 024321297/

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Thanks for the heads up. Now, after several years, my Philco model 65 is complete! :D

Yes, I bought the speaker. The seller has several radios for sale as well including a Philco 112 highboy, a 38-116XX, a 90 cathedral, and many others. I did not buy anything else as I am not looking to buy any radios at present.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Congrats!

I wondered if that was going to complete someone's 65, 76 or 95...

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Congratulations Ron! I'm glad that worked out! :D

A 112 Highboy?... oh that is tempting. I regret letting mine go years ago, but...I really don't need to get another...

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Thanks! (and thank you too, radioterry!) :D

I regret letting go of my 112 highboy as well, but...I need to minimize the collection, not start letting it get out of hand again.

Go for it, before Kirk drives down here and beats you to it. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Glad you got it, Ron. I keep hoping that posting the items I can't get to is helping someone else here. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Thanks again, Dan, for posting it. Since I am not on Facebook, I would not have known about it otherwise. Since my wife IS on Facebook, we were able to contact the seller and close the deal. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Can someone explain to me what the "XX" signifies in some Philco model numbers, as the 38-116xx mentioned above? I have a 38-2 as labeled, yet I have seen them listed places as both 38-2 and 38-2xx...

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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One X indicates an inclined sound board.

Two I believe indicates an inclined sound board in conjunction with the inclined front panel for "No Stoop, No Squat, No Squint" feature.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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To expound on what Steve said, the "XX" mainly indicates "inclined front panel" but may, or may not (depending upon the model), indicate an additional "inclined sounding board". For example, the 38-690XX has no inclined sounding board.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Thanks Ron!
I should have let you answer. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Why? You were basically correct. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Thanks, guys! It's still confusing to me, as my 38-2 is the "No Stoop, No Squat, No Squint", and I have a model 118 with the inclined sound board, yet neither have the "x" or "xx" designation on their label. Is the "x" or "xx" signification something that was applied later, by service techs or collectors?
*Off the topic a bit, but how have you been feeling, Ron?*


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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Yes, your 118 is a model 118X. It was an original Philco model designation.

Go to RadioMuseum.org, type Philco 118 in the Simple search field, press Go, and on the list that comes back, press the picture gallery button.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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I guess I'm not picking up what you are putting down...I know they are considered 38-2xx and 118x, but my 38-2xx is only labeled as a 38-2 on the radio itself, and my 118x is the same. The 118 has several (10) variations and 2 were "118x" - were those all just tagged simply as "model 118" on the units themselves also? Were the letters simply for Philco to differentiate between cabinet styles in catalogs, advertising and service (even though there is only one style of 38-2)? I guess I would think the "complete" model designation including suffixes would be on the radio itself, too. I feel like a dummy here....


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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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I guess Philco used the same label on all the cabinets. The label in my 144B says "Models 44, 504 & 144." :shock: :!: https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/philco_144.html

Still, Philco used the letters in their advertising to differentiate cabinet styles using the same chassis.

Example: Radio Craft, Aug. 1937 mentions the 118X:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd ... e-0027.pdf

1933, showing 14X, 16RX, 19X, 19B, 19H, and 57C:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Philco-Ra ... 1509928833

1934, the 16X and 45C:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Philco-Ra ... 2506437279

1937, here's an ad for a 116X:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1937-Philco-Ra ... 2951156900

1941, here's a 41-608P radio/phonograph:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1940-newspaper ... 3074466707

And Philco really made a big deal in 1938 with the XX models, "Double-X!":
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1937-Philco-Ra ... 2326570347

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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I understood the different alphabetic suffixes denoting different cabinet styles, as in the 38-22 lineup or the 118s, it was the seemingly meaningless 'x'es that threw me. In retrospect, I guess cabinet style isn't important for most service work on models sharing a chassis - unless maybe if you needed a grille cloth or other cabinet specific part or work - slapping the same label on every cabinet of a model on the line saves a ton of time, thus no designation on the cabinet label. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Some people refuse to use or mention this website, but it has the most comprehensive information on Philco sets.

http://philcoradio.com/

And, it is mobile-friendly, too!

Andyjon, your 118X:

http://philcoradio.com/gallery2/1935b/#Model_118X

An explanation of the letters used at the end of Philco model numbers and their meanings:

http://philcoradio.com/library/index.ph ... l-numbers/

Radiomuseum is a fine website, but they are wrong in using build dates instead of model years. They will make you believe the 118 is a 1934 model. It is not. Philco issued the 118 as a 1935 model. The radio manufacturers issued their new model line in the summer of the previous calendar year, much like automobiles used to (and still do to some degree) issue their new models in the fall of the previous calendar year.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco F10 speaker-Indianapolis, IN
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Thanks Ron. How have you been feeling?
I have been to philcoradio.com while researching my 118x. I somehow missed the section regarding the letters. I'm going there right now! I have a question for you regarding my 118x, but I fear I've hijacked this thread enough. I'll start another thread in discussions...

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Thanks again, Dan, for posting it. Since I am not on Facebook, I would not have known about it otherwise. Since my wife IS on Facebook, we were able to contact the seller and close the deal. :)



That's a beautiful speaker. Congrats on the new find!

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