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 Post subject: New lowered price and only $75,000!
PostPosted: Jun Thu 13, 2019 9:26 pm 
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAND-CROSLEY- ... SwgJBc2zOx

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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
PostPosted: Jun Thu 13, 2019 9:29 pm 
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/GRAND-CROSLEY-WLW-RADIO-RAREST-RADIO-IN-THE-WORLD-AND-TOTALLY-RESTORED/273845950880?hash=item3fc27d99a0:g:I5oAAOSwgJBc2zOx

You gotta be kiddin' me!


If he had put it up for 75K about 5 years ago it would have been SOLD in less than a days time. Today .... probably not going to happen. Draws attention to his other radios he has for sale.
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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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For awhile it was at $65,000 but apparently he bumped it back up again to $75,000.

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The radio has value but I don't find it particularly attractive. Just my opinion, but the value that it does draw seems to be mainly due to its rarity. There are a lot of radios out there that are more appealing going for less than $1K.

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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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In its completed form, the WLW Model Super-Power Radio Receiver indeed surpassed the Zenith Stratosphere model. It had 37 tubes, six speakers, and 75 watts of power. The cabinet stood 58 inches tall, 42 inches wide, and 22 inches deep. Everything inside the cabinet that could be was chromium-plated. The transformer coils, tubes, and speaker frames were finished in black and each chassis had its own serial number plate.

As far as I have heard there are only THREE of them known to be in the hands of collectors. So yes it a very rare radio. The Zenith 1000Z only has 25 tubes three speakers and only 50 watts of audio. Plus they built 350 of them. Today about 45 are known to exist.

The only other rare old radio that commands prices in these areas that I know of is the Sparton 1186 Nocturne. The prices of those in good condition will be in the area of the Crosley WLW and the Zenith Stratosphere not far behind them.
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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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For awhile it was at $65,000 but apparently he bumped it back up again to $75,000.

But its a "MUCH LOWER PRICE". True. Compared to a penthouse apartment on Park Avenue, it is.
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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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When was the Estes Auction and what prices were realized for the various rare radios shown in the photos?

As someone who gas been interested in vintage radios for a short time, please educate me John as to how the values of the very rare models have fluctuated over the years. I gather they are currently down substantially. Thanks,

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When was the Estes Auction and what prices were realized for the various rare radios shown in the photos?

As someone who gas been interested in vintage radios for a short time, please educate me John as to how the values of the very rare models have fluctuated over the years. I gather they are currently down substantially. Thanks,

Dennis


In Jan 2007 a Zenith stratosphere was sold on Ebay for $72,000 it was the early version radio and had never been restored. It was in very nice original condition both cosmetics as well as electronics all original. Gradually since 2007 the prices have dropped. Ballpark today might be $50K for a really nice one. The one I have I purchased in 2002. I have pictures of about 18 or 19 of them that have sold between 1998 and today. One I can think of has changed hands 4 times. It is only counted once in the total of 18 or 19 radios sold. A couple of the strats sold in the mid 40's through auctions that were not online such as ebay.

The Sparton Nocturne's were rumored to have sold in the 80 to 90K range back around 2000-2003 time frame. Only a very few of those have changed hands since then. There was a very rough one that was sold in Lansing Michigan at one of the Lansing radio meets auction a few years ago. It went to an un named collector and on that one I was the #2 or #3 bidder at that auction. I think it sold for the low 40's. It was at least 10 to 15K away from being restored at that time.

As to the WLW + Stratosphere sold at Estes they sold in May 2014. Steve Geary ZenithNut was at that auction and took some pictures. I don't remember the prices that those two radios brought at the auction. Probably Steve knows. The WLW Crosley is the same radio that is currently up on Ebay. It was Un-Restored when it was purchased at that auction. It was QUITE an expense that the owner spent to restore it. Yes he had one of the best restorers do the restoration. At the present 75K Ebay auction for sure the owner is losing money.

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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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Thank you very much John for taking the time to answer my radio price question. It's nice to have some idea of what rare ones are worth (not that I'm in the market :D ).

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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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I did a bit more looking and found that the blue Nocturne sold at the 2005 Estes Auction for $62,500 while a peach-colored one sold for $57,000 (see http://www.antiqueradio.com/Apr06_Estes_SageStahl.html).

There is a Nocturne currently for sale in Canada with an asking price of $90,000 USD (see http://www.primeaumusic.com/browse/35-Collectibles/view/331-1936-Sparton-Nocturne-Console-Radio).

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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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Prices for the May 2014 Estes auction can be found in this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=249455&start=40

WLW $70,000
1000Z $37,000
16-A-63 $14,000

Of course sales tax and auction fees arent included.

The 1000Z chassis was not in the best condition. Quite rusty and pitted.
After seeing what Stan Renna did with his rusty 1000Z I bet it could have been improved.
The Estes 1000Z was later rechromed as I recall.

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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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The same guy with the WLW sold his 1000z for under 25k a couple years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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I'm just surprised that when it was at $65,000 nobody pounced on it. It would have lasted for a couple of days on Ebay 10 years ago. Have console values really dropped that much?

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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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The Sparton Nocturne sold at the MARC auction in Lansing in 2012 for $34K. It was "all there" but for one knob (they are metal, easy to turn one). The blue glass was nice but needed re-silvering. It was well known high end radio collector Rain ("Roger") Butingall who bought it.
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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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The Sparton Nocturne sold at the MARC auction in Lansing in 2012 for $34K. It was "all there" but for one knob (they are metal, easy to turn one). The blue glass was nice but needed re-silvering. It was well known high end radio collector Rain ("Roger") Butingall who bought it.
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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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This is where "savvy" collectors are putting the big money these days-

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/07/s ... ction.html


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Allen G wrote:
This is where "savvy" collectors are putting the big money these days-

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/07/s ... ction.html

Yes, tastes are changing fast. Up until the time the boomers get up in age and discontinue collecting, these desired vintage radios will keep a good value. After that, the bottom is going to fall out.


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 Post subject: Re: New lowered price and only $75,000!
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The radio has value but I don't find it particularly attractive. Just my opinion, but the value that it does draw seems to be mainly due to its rarity. There are a lot of radios out there that are more appealing going for less than $1K.


Agreed, not the best looking console for that kind of money or any amount near that price.

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