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 Post subject: Fake or Real...
PostPosted: May Sat 23, 2020 3:20 am 
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I can't find anything on the company and the font of the name on the front looks a lot like the "fake" 20's radios.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1920s-Roberts- ... SwEEteyCn~

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PostPosted: May Sat 23, 2020 4:28 am 
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If it is a fake it one heck of a good fake. Tom


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I like it.

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PostPosted: May Sat 23, 2020 12:00 pm 
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If Merrill Bankroft sees this I bet he will know.


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 Post subject: Re: Fake or Real...
PostPosted: May Sat 23, 2020 12:00 pm 
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What makes you question its authenticity.
lmtrading's buyer feedback for radio related sales is exemplary,
100% dating back to 1998

Numerous hits for the company at David Gleason's website.
"roberts toledo" site:americanradiohistory.com
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22robe ... art=0&sa=N


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Edit: The Giblin-Remler inductance coils with their improved mounting were new for 1922

Select 1920s and search - - giblin
here... https://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd ... search.cgi

Giblin-Remler
at... http://www.duanesradios.info/html/gibli ... odyne.html


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 Post subject: Re: Fake or Real...
PostPosted: May Sat 23, 2020 12:49 pm 
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Looks like the real deal.
Someone has obviously done some cleaning and detailing on the exterior though.

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 Post subject: Re: Fake or Real...
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egg wrote:
What makes you question its authenticity.
lmtrading's buyer feedback for radio related sales is exemplary,
100% dating back to 1998...


Those guys are very knowledgable reputable sellers. I traveled to their location a few years ago to pick up three mid-thirties Collins plug-in coil type transmitters; a 4A, 32F and a 32G along with a late thirties National NTX-30 and NSM Modulator. They have a fairly large warehouse operation and are well connected to many of the seasoned advanced collectors in the hobby.


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 Post subject: Re: Fake or Real...
PostPosted: May Sat 23, 2020 2:36 pm 
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You're gonna need some JB Weld. lol

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Here's what I see:

1. The fine tuning knobs are mounted above the main tuning dials. First time I've ever seen that done.

2. Between the antenna and ground posts is a plug in jack labeled "TEL". What is TEL? Such an unconventional place to place such a jack.

3. The "PHONE" jack is placed between two B connecting posts. What an odd and crowded place to place an audio jack.

4. What voltage is the "B+" and "B-" for? Does this set run on just one B+ voltage or are there others and where are their connectors?

5. Where's the A+ and A- hookup connectors and why aren't they located in the same general area that the B+ and B- connector posts are.

6. I've never seen a 1920s battery radio that had a potentiometer labeled "RADIO". Just what does the term "RADIO" refer to on this set. Such an odd name for a particular function. Maybe it controls the RF tube filament.

7. To place a C- battery in a place that partially obscures the tube port holes seems like either poor planning or the result of a really cramped layout.

8. Both coils are only single coils. They both lack either primary or secondary coils. Such single coils can be used in a TRF radio but they may not be very efficient. The RF stages are probably capacitor coupled. Such single coils were designed to work within close proximity of each other as primary, secondary, and sometimes regenerative coils, not as single stand alone coils.

9. A elevated wooden chassis just seems so cheap and primitive for a factory produced radio with an engraved panel.

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My conclusion, that's either a really poorly designed radio or it's just a really wacky radio. It could be original, it sure looks origional, but it sure has a lot of 1920s design inconsistencies.

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 Post subject: Re: Fake or Real...
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+1, fake or worst designed 20's radio I've ever seen for all the reasons Michael has posted.

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Right... how come you didn't list any these concerns in your opening post?
All you said was that you couldn't find any information on the company, nothing else.

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oh... you mentioned the font. lol


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Possibly a homebrew with a replacement front panel. Not common to see control knobs labeled "TONE" and "RADIO". Would be nice to see the underside of the chassis.

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Yes, it would be nice to see the underside of the chassis and the circuit if anyone should ever post it. I looked up the address of this company. It looks like it was probably the upstairs or back room of, what once was, a corner store.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1504+ ... 83.5441272

After closely examining the auctions photos, I believe it's all original. Apparently, whoever designed and built this radio, truly did it his own way since there's so many questionable and unconventional features that make up this receiver. It wouldn't surprise me if this is the only example of it's type still in existence.

"The Roberts -Toledo Co., radio jobbers, held an exhibit and demonstration of the Majestic radio at the Hotel Lorraine recently." This might explain the unusual design of this receiver. It wasn't made in a factory but in limited quantity by some local neighborhood radio jobbers and most likely only sold locally.

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 Post subject: Re: Fake or Real...
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egg wrote:
Right... how come you didn't list any these concerns in your opening post?
All you said was that you couldn't find any information on the company, nothing else.

Greg.
oh... you mentioned the font. lol


Didn't have to list everything to ask the question and listing it all obviously didn't prove the set was fake either. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Fake or Real...
PostPosted: May Sat 23, 2020 10:11 pm 
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Although I don't think the face of the radio in question was done recently it could have been. Some of you have seen this before but attached is a radio with a new face that I just recently made with my laser engraver so it can be done.

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 Post subject: Re: Fake or Real...
PostPosted: May Sat 23, 2020 10:34 pm 
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Okay... The sixty-four-thousand-dollar question.

What's this little old lady from Toledo worth?
Greg.

oh... the radio looks great Don.

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PostPosted: May Sun 24, 2020 12:57 am 
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Front panel symmetry must have rated high on the manufacturers priority list. Some manufacturer had to make a product that establishes perspective of the spectrum of practicality and performance! It reminds me of a single winery that shall remain anonymous at which I participated in a tasting.

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