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Don Cavey
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Post subject: Question On A Cathode Resistor Used To Measure/Set Tube Bias Posted: Aug Wed 18, 2021 4:16 pm |
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One way to measure accurately the current through the output tube of an amplifier is to break the connection between the cathode and ground. It is often advised to put a 10 Ω resistor between the cathode and ground and measure the voltage, use Ohm's Law and figure the current.
My question is, should that resistor be shunted with a capacitor to keep the cathode at AC ground as they do in a lot of small radios? Or is that value so low that it doesn't matter.
I hope that question makes sense.
Thanks.
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Tom Bavis
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Post subject: Re: Question On A Cathode Resistor Used To Measure/Set Tube Posted: Aug Wed 18, 2021 6:21 pm |
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10 Ohms won't make much difference - it's tiny compared with the plate resistance of the tube. Yes, there's a little bit of negative feedback from it, reducing gain a tiny bit, but it's probably inside another feedback loop which will reduce gain by a tiny bit less than it would have without the resistor...
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Don Cavey
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Post subject: Re: Question On A Cathode Resistor Used To Measure/Set Tube Posted: Aug Wed 18, 2021 6:44 pm |
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Tom Bavis wrote: 10 Ohms won't make much difference - it's tiny compared with the plate resistance of the tube. Yes, there's a little bit of negative feedback from it, reducing gain a tiny bit, but it's probably inside another feedback loop which will reduce gain by a tiny bit less than it would have without the resistor... Thanks Tom, I figured as much. I appreciate your input.
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Jordan390a
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Post subject: Re: Question On A Cathode Resistor Used To Measure/Set Tube Posted: Aug Wed 18, 2021 9:37 pm |
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A lot of the guitar amp guys insert 1 ohm resistors from the cathode to ground. It makes no discernible difference, and allows for pretty simple calculations...!
73...Jordan VE6ZT
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Mr. Detrola
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Post subject: Re: Question On A Cathode Resistor Used To Measure/Set Tube Posted: Aug Wed 18, 2021 10:05 pm |
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Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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A number of commercially designed amplifiers like the Eico ST-70 have unbypassed cathode resistors with jacks to do measurements while setting bias, and they work fine that way. I don't think you could possibly hear or measure any difference if they were bypassed.
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arbilab
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Post subject: Re: Question On A Cathode Resistor Used To Measure/Set Tube Posted: Aug Wed 18, 2021 11:23 pm |
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Bias set with no signal? Amount of AC on cathode negligible?
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Don Cavey
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Post subject: Re: Question On A Cathode Resistor Used To Measure/Set Tube Posted: Aug Thu 19, 2021 12:16 am |
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arbilab wrote: Bias set with no signal? Amount of AC on cathode negligible? Yes, the bias would be set with no signal. I guess there is minimal AC loss (with a signal) across the bias checking resistor.
_________________ Don
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engineer
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Post subject: Re: Question On A Cathode Resistor Used To Measure/Set Tube Posted: Aug Fri 27, 2021 6:58 pm |
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Mr. Detrola wrote: A number of commercially designed amplifiers like the Eico ST-70 have unbypassed cathode resistors with jacks to do measurements while setting bias, and they work fine that way. I don't think you could possibly hear or measure any difference if they were bypassed. At least one Heathkit power amplifier (W4M) has jacks in the o/p tube cathodes to allow a mA meter to be inserted to set bias. It scared me that the circuit could go open for some reason, sending the cathode voltage sky-high! As insurance, I bypassed each jack socket under the chassis with a precision 10 ohm resistor. Now a simple volt meter allows current balance to be set with no risks. Cheers, Roger
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