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 Post subject: Shorted Type 42 Tubes
PostPosted: Sep Mon 23, 2019 11:39 pm 
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My TV-3 tube tester shows a short on two of the three 42 tubes I just tested. Haven't seen this before, is it real?

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 Post subject: Re: Shorted Type 42 Tubes
PostPosted: Sep Tue 24, 2019 12:23 am 
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It was on the pair of 6F6G(same tube, octal base) in my Silvertone 4586. Had a bad hum so I recapped it, still hummed, both outputs were shorted.

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 Post subject: Re: Shorted Type 42 Tubes
PostPosted: Sep Tue 24, 2019 12:28 am 
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If it's a solid short, you can confirm it with an ohmmeter. If it's just bad (or not so bad) leakage, maybe not. Leakage can also only appear when the cathode is hot. The most common shorts I have seen in output tubes is from the screen grid to the control grid. These are frequently intermittent but can be disastrous when they happen. Fortunately, that isn't too often.

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 Post subject: Re: Shorted Type 42 Tubes
PostPosted: Sep Tue 24, 2019 12:58 am 
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Sounds like I should throw them away.

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 Post subject: Re: Shorted Type 42 Tubes
PostPosted: Sep Tue 24, 2019 3:19 am 
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High resistance heater-cathode leakage won't cause a problem in an output stage (though a REAL short is a problem). Most tube testers will show "short" with 100K resistance - which is a problem on a grid, not so much for heater-cathode. I see heater leakage sometimes with 6F6 and 42 tubes.

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 Post subject: Re: Shorted Type 42 Tubes
PostPosted: Sep Tue 24, 2019 3:32 am 
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I assume the high resistance short can further degrade over time?

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 Post subject: Re: Shorted Type 42 Tubes
PostPosted: Sep Tue 24, 2019 7:50 pm 
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All tubes degrade with use, and one of the ways this happens is by developing high resistance leakage paths between the elements and through the heater-cathode insulation. Most of the time, tubes get replaced for other reasons before these leakage paths get bad enough to become troublesome. On the other hand, if there are hard-shorts in a tube due to loose or deformed elements, the problem can't get any worse!

If you turn to the chart on page 4-4 of the TV-3 manual http://www.mcmlv.org/Archive/TestEquipment/NAVSHIPS91254-TV-3U.pdf (Courtesy MCMLV.org), you'll see a chart that can be used to determine which elements are causing the shorts light to come on. Heater to cathode leakage may be tolerable in output stages, but I would stay away from any tube that shows leakage from any element to the first grid.

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