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 Post subject: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sat 12, 2015 5:03 am 
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I finally got a chance to go through a box of transistor radios I got from an estate sale a while back, some are cool, some are just average but this RCA caught my eye and got me thinking "It looks like the same size as a Channel Master 6515?"

Sure enough, I opened it up and this is what I found, same board as the Channel Master, interesting.
Upon further inspection I see the label on the inside of the rear cover that tells the story, RCA obviously did not manufacture these radios.
Has anyone else come across one of these in their travels?

I am curious as to when RCA stopped manufacturing transistor sets in America or is this just a Canadian deal? I can't find anything on the web about this.

As you see see in the pics below, my original red Super Fringe 6515 is identical.

First order on the menu is - those dreaded plastic caps gotta go. (plays at low volume)

Thanks John for the tip on the camera.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sat 12, 2015 2:36 pm 
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That's interesting. Channel Master radios were made by Sanyo. Canadian RCA must have used Sanyo to make their transistor sets while the American RCA used Japan Victor Co. JVC also had a license to use the Nipper logo even on their own branded models bearing the "Victor" name. I wonder what the missing emblem looked like on your set.

I don't know when the switch-over to Japanese-made RCA transistor radios occurred but, according to "The Portable Radio In American Life" (Michael Brian Schiffer -c1991), all small transistor portables were made in Japan by the mid-60's

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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sat 12, 2015 4:35 pm 
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Hi Dave, it is interesting, the cavity for the missing emblem is exactly the same dimensions as the Sanyo emblem.
I was able to find an old ebay listing for the service data and the photo seems to show the same "8 Transistor Super Fringe" logo on the front grill.

Upon further investigation, I came across Sarah's transistor radio's that has a listing for another Canadian RCA P-332 that has a Sanyo 6506 chassis.

http://www.transistor.org/collection/rca/rca23.html

other than that, not much info out there.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sat 12, 2015 9:10 pm 
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Hey, guys.

The best I can tell is that RCA Victor Canada began to market Japanese-made transistor radios in late 1957, or quite early in1958. It begins with the P-331, a beautiful set made by NVC - later JVC - with Nipper on the large reverse-painted front panel and which was sold in the domestic Japanese market as the TS-600. (The TS-600 was launched around August of 1957 as NVC's first transistor radio.) That was followed by the P-330, which is based on the NVC TS-650.

Following these two models, RCA Victor Canada appears to have gone on a path of selecting radios from a variety of Japanese makers as suited their motives at any given time. That includes a few from Sanyo, such as the P-336, which is essentially the same as the Channel Master 6503 but with a prettier face, and the P-332 that Rocco53 mentions above.

Other radios they imported and resold under their own brand name include those from Sharp (GP-556), General/Yaou GP-552), and Toshiba (PA-5), etc. I also have a GP-627 and GP-710 laying around somewhere. Will have to take a look and refresh my memory as to which makers they came from.

For fun, I'll attach a few photos for reference.

To start, here's the P-336 from Sanyo. (It also has Nipper on the face.)


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sat 12, 2015 9:23 pm 
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Here's the GP-556 by Sharp:

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Here's the GP-552 by General/Yaou:

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You can see the P-331 at my site here:
http://tabiwallah.com/radiowallah/rcavictor/p331a.html

More to follow later, if you're not already tired of seeing the various models. ;-)


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sat 12, 2015 9:37 pm 
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Speaking now to Dave's comment. I'm winging it here with sleepy eyes and failing to go do actual checking, but my understanding is that RCA in the States marketed only American-made sets until the end of the fifties. (That remains in keeping with Michael Brian Schiffer's assertion to which Dave referred.) I don't recall any of the radios coming from JVC once they did switch over to importing Japanese-made radios. Must check up on that later.

There is one radio that it would appear NVC/JVC may have tried to market in the US as early as the end of 1957. It's a variant of the TS-600, their first transistor radio labelled as an "RCA International". To date I've only seen one extant sample of this radio. I happened to buy that from a guy on the American east coast many years ago. Note that the "RCA International" TS-600 does not have Nipper on the face. It's mere speculation, but I suspect that might have something to do with trademark issues were they to use it at the time in the States.

Here's the RCA International TS-600:
http://tabiwallah.com/radiowallah/victor/ts600_intl_a.html
And, while at it, here's the domestic Japanese version of the TS-600:
http://tabiwallah.com/radiowallah/victor/ts600a.html


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PostPosted: Dec Sat 12, 2015 9:56 pm 
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Here are a few more.

The PA-5, which is a rebranded Toshiba 6P-15

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The PA-8, which I'll have to drag out later to check the maker

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The GP-10, which I'll also have to drag out later to check the maker

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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sun 13, 2015 12:29 am 
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RCA Victor P-332


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sun 13, 2015 12:35 am 
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Wow, I'm overwhelmed with the amount of information here, thank you so much wallah for sharing.

I really like the P-336 it's a very attractive looking radio.
I have seen a GP-556 just recently but I don't know if it's still for sale.

love the photo's wallah, you can post as many as you like.

so I'm thinking this PA-1 deserves some special attention, will post back with results.

Thanks for the photos as well Troz, a Channel Master 6506 re-branded.

I wonder how many more will turn up?

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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
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Here are a few more Canadian RCA Victor radios made by other manufacturers:

The GP-551 (made by Yaou/General of Japan)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/transisto ... 9387640287

GP-550 (made by Toshiba)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/transisto ... 2167258245

GP-628 (made by Toshiba)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/transisto ... 2145559808

Finally, as mentioned in Wallah's informative post:
The very rare RCA P-331 (by Nippon Victor Company aka JVC)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/transisto ... 6507001434

Excellent information on the RCA P-331 can be found here
http://www.tabiwallah.com/radiowallah/r ... p331a.html

So we've named many Canadian RCA Victor radios made by:
Sanyo, Toshiba, Yaou/General, Japan Victor Company and Sharp.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Sun 13, 2015 3:23 am 
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Hey Rocco,

Very good looking radio---definitely worth the effort to get into tip-top shape !

Think the Sanyo branded version also has a round tuning dial ?

Glad you got the pics posted and was neat to see Wallah's contributions.

Looking forward to "completed" report ! Good the badge is same as CM 6515---maybe you can find a donor...

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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Mon 14, 2015 12:58 am 
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I have a Hi-Delity TS-650, which has a label that indicates it was manufactured by the Victor Co. of Japan, Ltd. The tuner does not have any Civil Defense markings and the Sony oval transistors have been painted gray, labeled "JVC," and are labeled 2T65 OKO. I also have a Victor TS-651, which is similar to the Hi-Delity TS-650, but uses the later round Sony transistors.


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One more to add to the list that was made by Sanyo is
the RCA P-337, which is a rebranded Sanyo 8S-P3.

(Sorry not to take the time to collate all the radios above into a proper list...)


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Mon 14, 2015 9:12 am 
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Those Hi-Delity radios are cool, 3Transistors!

I am particularly fond of the Sony ovals masquerading as NVC transistors in the TS-650. Sanyo did a similar thing in painting the tops of the transistors whits and stamping their name on them in the Sanyo 6C-3 and 6C-5 models.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
PostPosted: Dec Mon 14, 2015 7:48 pm 
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wallah - I bought the Hi-Delity TS-650 with some other transistor radios and the seller didn't take a photo of the components, so I was certainly surprised to see that it had Sony oval transistors. The TS-650 works great and I think of it as a "poor man's Sony TR-63! The other TS-650 I have has the later Sony round transistors, but also works quite well. I certainly would like to add one of the early Sanyo transistor radios to my collection, but find that they rarely come up for sale on eBay. Does anyone have a Sanyo 5C-10?


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 Post subject: Re: RCA PA-1
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Hi John, I don't remember seeing a Sanyo with a round dial, it may exist.

3Transistors, Thank you for posting the Hi-Delity pic's, they are definitely cool as well.

Just for giggles I took another snapshot of the two radios stacked, you can see the differences in design, the speaker grill on the RCA is 3/4 of an inch wider than the Sanyo plus a lot more chrome overall.


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Hey Rocco,

I tried to find a "round dial" Sanyo with Google and couldn't---maybe it was another RCA I saw ?

Did you "customize" the dial background on the 6515 ? Don't remember ever seeing that "metal-flake" look...

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Ha ha, good eye John, long story short - this 6515 was actually a disaster when I found it a couple years ago, it had been sitting face down in a box with batteries leaking for who knows how many years so the inner dial face was corroded beyond repair, I replaced it with metallic flake card-stock from the craft store, you can also get it in different colors.

The white paint framework on the face of the radio was also flaking off severely, I applied new strips of automotive white pin stripe, simple fixes and looks much better.

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Rocco53 - I think your modification of the Channel Master 6515 is a definite improvement over the original design!


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3Transistors wrote:
Rocco53 - I think your modification of the Channel Master 6515 is a definite improvement over the original design!

I agree, it does look better that the plain aluminum silver plate.

Replaced all the electrolytics, 10 of them, it got intense at times but got them all done.
I connected my workbench power supply, a slight tuning of the coils and wow, this thing is receiving 10 times better than the Sanyo, I'm even picking up stations from Vancouver (300 miles away) most other radios I own can't do that.

I suspect that the Sanyo may have some leaky transistors, all the caps were replaced on that board as well, I will have to investigate that at a later time.

more to come


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