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 Post subject: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Mon 20, 2020 11:22 pm 
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Can anyone tell me the model number of this set?

It is a later variation of the Realtone TR-803 and TR-804 series radios.
I say "later" because of the style of the Realtone logotype that appears on the front.
This print style was used before they changed their name to "Soundesign".

There is only one picture of a white cased set online, without ID - when I run a google search.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 4:23 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 5:05 am 
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Radiosmoker wrote:
Image TR-870


No sir.
Thank you for your input though, it is appreciated.
The picture you posted is of a damaged Realtone TR-555 "Galaxy".
Please note that the TR-555 was produced with both a pointed top grill or the very rare circular grill.

I posted a pic of the Realtone TR-870 below.
It is the rarest of the Realtone radios, the "holy grail" if you will.
They have fetched as much as $2000 in auctions,
a very beat up example that was missing the top dial parts recently sold for around $1200.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 6:12 am 
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Here's a model description in Lane's "Transistor Radios";

TR-806B. Upper square peephole dial, upper left volume, upper right tuning thumbwheel, lower chrome perforated grill. 1962.

Unfortunately a description only, no pic.

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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 6:14 am 
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Seems to also share a similar chassis layout to the TR803.
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Sarah Lowrey shows a number of Realtone sets on her old website, preserved at archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20071215110 ... tone1.html

The two versions of the TR803 pics seen above are from her pages. Hit the Next Radio button to view them and others. Her TR-806-1 again has the same chassis but is a "double-wide" which uses more conventional batteries.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 7:13 am 
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fifties wrote:
Here's a model description in Lane's "Transistor Radios";

TR-806B. Upper square peephole dial, upper left volume, upper right tuning thumbwheel, lower chrome perforated grill. 1962.

Unfortunately a description only, no pic.


Thanks fifties, but no cigar, see Sam's below.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 7:26 am 
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Thanks Ed, Sarah doesn't show it.

This where the proverbial waters get murky.
Sarah "calls" the radio you posted above a "TR-803-B".
There is nothing to substantiate this part number.
Sam's Photofact shows it as a TR-804-2.

There is no "TR-803-A" version either.
Realtone always referred to it as plain old TR-803.
Interesting though, there WAS two versions of the original TR-803 Valiant,
although the model number stayed the same.
The earlier TR-803 had six transistors. The later model had seven.
Realtone just slapped a brass badge on the front proclaiming seven transistors.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 8:34 am 
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Also keep in mind that the model labels that one encounters for these Realtone radios in Google search,
is often messed up with nothing to substantiate it.
(like other folks using Sarah Lowrey's homemade "A and B" suffixes, or calling all Realtone sets TR-1088 which is their "Comet" model.)
All of these radios we have been discussing have unique model numbers and do *use the same TR-803 chassis inside.
*(with the exception of the TR-870 and TR-555)


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 1:34 pm 
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livewire54 wrote:
Also keep in mind that the model labels that one encounters for these Realtone radios in Google search,
is often messed up with nothing to substantiate it.
(like other folks using Sarah Lowrey's homemade "A and B" suffixes, or calling all Realtone sets TR-1088 which is their "Comet" model.)
All of these radios we have been discussing have unique model numbers and do *use the same TR-803 chassis i

Drifting a little, but the supposed GE 780A supplied by Sarah & pictured on RM is actually a P-780E. Those mfg'd at least three years after the A series. Much mis-info on net.

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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 7:49 pm 
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livewire54 wrote: This where the proverbial waters get murky.
Sarah "calls" the radio you posted above a "TR-803-B".
There is nothing to substantiate this part number.
Sam's Photofact shows it as a TR-804-2.


If you care to reads Sarah Wanamaker's statement correctly.

She states that she has named it...
Realtone TR-803 "B"
The second TR-803, I call it the "B". It shares the same chassis as the "A", but the case design is completely different. Even so, it is still a very pretty small radio, with that gold reflecting everything.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Tue 21, 2020 9:17 pm 
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egg wrote:
livewire54 wrote: This where the proverbial waters get murky.
Sarah "calls" the radio you posted above a "TR-803-B".
There is nothing to substantiate this part number.
Sam's Photofact shows it as a TR-804-2.


If you care to reads Sarah Wanamaker's statement correctly.

She states that she has named it...
Realtone TR-803 "B"
The second TR-803, I call it the "B". It shares the same chassis as the "A", but the case design is completely different. Even so, it is still a very pretty small radio, with that gold reflecting everything.


Egg - read two posts above yours. I basically say the same thing.

I know, I know. The point I was trying to make is that people who read her descriptions, understand it as "bible verse"
then these wrong part numbers are used BY OTHERS ON THE INTERNET to describe these radios.

Case in point, the white version of the Realtone radio that I was originally asking about (second picture from the top)
can be found in google search as a model TR-803B which is very misleading. Same goes for the TR-804-2 model.
Many think that it is a TR-803B .

Like 35Z5 said "Much mis-info on net".


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: Apr Wed 22, 2020 4:00 am 
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Radiosmoker wrote:
Image TR-870


So I am perusing ebay today and come across the radio you posted yesterday.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/143585020367

Talk about mis-information!
The set has a Realtone sticker on the back that says it's a TR-870 Satellite model.
Wonder how that got there??? The guy is using that identifier for his auction. LOL

Anyhow, if one looks at the pic of the pcb, it is clearly marked (trace etched) "TR-555".
The radio is a much less costly (but highly desirable) TR-555 model.


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: May Fri 15, 2020 12:50 am 
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Same Realtone transistor radio for sale currently on eBay, but unfortunately the label is missing on the back

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124180968353?h ... Sw8Ehetgzy


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: May Fri 15, 2020 2:17 am 
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3Transistors wrote:
Same Realtone transistor radio for sale currently on eBay, but unfortunately the label is missing on the back

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124180968353?h ... Sw8Ehetgzy


I saw that. I have dubbed it "The Flying Box" for lack of a better name / model number.
So that makes three that I have seen in the wild. A white one, a black one (mine) and this red one. It's a rare one!
This set doesn't even show up in in Eric Wrobbel's Realtone "book".


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: May Fri 15, 2020 4:17 pm 
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3Transistors wrote:
Same Realtone transistor radio for sale currently on eBay, but unfortunately the label is missing on the back

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124180968353?h ... Sw8Ehetgzy
But does at least have the "803" on the circuit board.

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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: May Fri 15, 2020 6:25 pm 
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wiscojim wrote:
3Transistors wrote:
Same Realtone transistor radio for sale currently on eBay, but unfortunately the label is missing on the back

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124180968353?h ... Sw8Ehetgzy
But does at least have the "803" on the circuit board.

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Good eye, but it may not be so.
Here is a picture of the actual TR-803 "Valiant", also known as "Blades".


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 Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Rare Mystery Realtone
PostPosted: May Fri 15, 2020 6:26 pm 
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There were at least 15 variants made of this radio. (TR-803 was the first) I own 12 of the variants.
They are characterized by the two front facing volume and tuner thumbwheels
located on each side of the radio with the square tuner window in the middle.
Most share the same circuit board that you have shown in your pic.

The subsequent models had different model numbers, although similar in some cases.
They had different frontal facades, the plastic cases were updated,
some had a single blade around the case, some did not.

I suspect that the red "flying box" could possibly be "TR-803-1". At this point it is just a guess.
We need somebody that owns one of these flying boxes that has a good label on the back to speak up.


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