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 Post subject: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 1:29 am 
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Any one know where I could find a grill cloth for a 1948 Silvertone model 8011 clock radio? It is a metal grill cover.


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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 3:05 am 
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Nobody makes that pattern. I think the best you can do is to look on Ebay for something similar.

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Ebay Radio Grill Cloth: https://picclick.com/?q=radio+grill+cloth

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 4:26 am 
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be so very careful on ebay.

MANY people sell upholstery and call it speaker grill cloth.

Many people sell ANY fabric and call it speaker grill cloth.

9 out of 10 times, it isn't speaker grill cloth ; trust me on this as I am experienced in the disappointment and frustration.

go to radiodaze or any reputable antique radio restoration company and get some real speaker grill cloth.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 11:49 am 
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There was once alot of grille cloth made, but the only real stuff I see is either really heavy stuff for like guitar cabinets or scraps from old radios. just hard to find the stuff that is made with the lower density weave that allows sound to pass thru very well. I wonder if alot of it is hoarded by radio people somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 12:30 pm 
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Steve, I am curious as to what qualifies as "real" grill cloth, since there seems to be a lot of misleading info out there. It is my experience that most speaker covers are just a thin slice of foamed polyurethane with a 40 to 75 PPI, depending on the blend. The porous/crystalline lattice of foam is supposedly more acoustically transparent than a woven fiber, although I have not seen any hard data to reflect that. In your experience, what is the material actually made of?


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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 5:40 pm 
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Regarding the Silvertone; it is not all cloth, in fact only a little cloth. The visible pattern that is seen is a thin wire mesh, that is backed up by a piece of cloth. In the area of the dial there is not a cloth backing.
The mesh is riveted to the frame, so I think replacing the cloth behind it would not be easy.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 5:53 pm 
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As long as the cloth is not thick, it will do fine as grill cloth. You can spot the difference. It just looks delicate. Drapery material looks more nappy like a towel. Also, good candidates for grill cloth have a subtle pattern and fairly small designs. Bold patterns never look good. Sometimes it's better to just get a solid quality gold/tan cloth if your unsure about a pattern. Just not too golden or light.....and forget solid colors! By the way, I heard that you can spray tint and tone-down a cloth that looks too light.


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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
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My indicator is to hold it up to a light! High transparency seems to work for either visibility or sound!

Also, having some stretch is a plus.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 9:12 pm 
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The warp and weft needs to be open for the air movement on bass notes.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Thu 18, 2019 9:45 pm 
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perhaps i should have stated it as being "fabric designed to be used as speaker grill cloth" or "genuine speaker grill cloth" rather than "real speaker grill cloth".

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Fri 19, 2019 12:24 pm 
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Mike48, I should have asked are you replacing the mesh because it is dirty or damaged? If dirty try using a little Gojo (non-pumice) on a brush to scrub the screen. Go lightly so that you do not push dirt beneath the screen and onto the cloth backer. If damaged then I guess it must be replaced, if so follow the advice from others, the cloth must be thin enough to allow the illuminated dial scale to show through when the radio is on.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Fri 19, 2019 12:55 pm 
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There's no metal grill. The pattern is woven into the cloth.

https://radioattic.com/item.htm?radio=1230744

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Fri 19, 2019 3:22 pm 
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Indiana Radios wrote:
There's no metal grill. The pattern is woven into the cloth.

https://radioattic.com/item.htm?radio=1230744


Well perhaps mine is a different version then. It is definitely a gold colored metal screen attached to a metal frame that is painted brown. In between the screen and the frame is a gold colored piece of cloth. The window for the dial has no cloth over it so the dial is able to show through.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Fri 19, 2019 11:00 pm 
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I looked on the internet for an example that matches your description. Unfortunately, all of the photos don't show much clear detail as far as the speaker cloth is concerned. You could be right and I could be wrong. Could you post some clear detailed photos of your radio's grill?

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Fri 19, 2019 11:42 pm 
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https://radioattic.com/item.htm?radio=1230744

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Edit: this guy recently sold the clock, he may have the grill?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R ... Complete=1

Disregard the above - - - you have the grill. lol
Go shopping for see through (ultra sheer) pantyhose... :shock:
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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Sat 20, 2019 12:03 am 
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When the dial is lit, it shows through the grill cloth. Both the flat part of the cloth and the molded ridges in the cloth are semi translucent when the dial is on. If there was a ridged metal screen, that would show up as absolute dark lines criss crossing across the illuminated dial.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Sat 20, 2019 12:21 am 
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You are correct Michael.
It must be a very fine metal mesh, stamped. Finer than the gauze in an old fashioned gas funnel.

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 Post subject: Re: Grill cloth
PostPosted: Jul Sat 20, 2019 2:17 pm 
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Michael, Greg, et all,

Here are some photos of the grille. I snipped off a small piece of the material with wire cutters to examine it, it is not magnetic so maybe it is brass??

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 Post subject: Re: Grill clothing
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The grill is definitely metal of some kind. Not sure about there being cloth in back. Looks to me like when it was painted they just masked off the area where the dial shows through.
It just looks really dirty and cleaning didn’t seem to help much.


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 Post subject: Re: Grill clothing
PostPosted: Jul Sun 21, 2019 2:38 am 
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Mike48 wrote:
It just looks really dirty and cleaning didn’t seem to help much.


I tried some Brasso on the bottom as a test. I put it on lightly, let it sit, then brushed it off with a tooth brush. The test area now looks much brighter than before!
Not sure if I will be brave enough to try the front though I hate to leave it discolored.

If you look at my photo slvgrl4, and look at the left most hole in the top row you will see the frayed edge of the cloth.

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