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 Post subject: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Tue 19, 2020 10:07 pm 
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I am finishing a wooden Zenith cabinet. After stripping the old finish I stained the cabinet and planing to apply some waterslide decals and clear protective finish.

My question is, should I apply the waterslide decals first and then the clear coat, or first the clear coat and then waterslide decals, and then cover the decals with some more clear coat?


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Tue 19, 2020 11:36 pm 
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I always give the cabinet a couple of coats of clear lacquer and let it dry.
At lease do the area where the decals are going to be
Those coats will sort of smooth out the area. Then apply the decals.
After you apply them give it a few more coats of lacquer.
Those areas where people are going to put their fingers against the cabinet
and then turn them against the wood ,need the most protection.
Dan in Calgary


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Tue 19, 2020 11:41 pm 
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I agree with Chaz

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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Wed 20, 2020 1:17 am 
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Agree with Chaz. Apply a few coats of clear, then decals, then finish with a few more coats.


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Wed 20, 2020 1:22 am 
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I’ve been doing it like Chaz suggested for years and it works perfectly. I usually do two coats, decals, then at least two coats more depending on what finish you want to end up with. This method hides the decal edges perfectly even when looking closely.


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Wed 20, 2020 2:17 am 
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Thanks guys, did anyone ever use this "ultra cover" stuff?
It is very cheep but it doesn't say what exactly it is.
In the past I used polyurethane spray, any other suggestions.


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Wed 20, 2020 3:13 am 
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You will find that almost everyone here agrees that lacquer was the choice of
finishes for these antique radios. It dries very fast and give s good finish.
You can use the toned lacquer for the darker areas and if you don't like the color, you can easily remove it with lacquer thinner.
I do not use anything but lacquer.
There is a product called ''wipe on poly'' and some of the guys have used it.
I understand, it is very hard to remove.
It does give a good finish, but if you want the radio to look original I suggest lacquer.
To each his own. Dan in Calgary.


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Wed 20, 2020 4:05 am 
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Would something like this be good as clear coat?


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Wed 20, 2020 6:13 pm 
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Either will work, but the second one might be lacquer based spray paint....I have that exact can with the white cap and it is white spray paint inside.....A couple times I mistook it for clear lacquer and accidentally shot white on a few things (including my truck) and ended up rushing for the paper towels to wipe it off. :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Thu 21, 2020 7:45 am 
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After applying the decals to the lacquer surface and allowing to dry well, leave a couple of days, then only use mist coats at first over them. Let dry well between coats and build up.

Some decals do crinkle if hit with a full lacquer coat first off.

Gary


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Sun 24, 2020 5:37 pm 
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OK, so I am ready to apply the decal and obviously this is my first time. I got the decals from Radio Daze and before I apply one of them, do I cut a rectangular box around one of the "Zenith" decal or try to cut around close to the actual decal lettering?


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Sun 24, 2020 8:24 pm 
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I usually cut around the decal about 1/8 or 3/16 of an inch from the actual lettering.
I try to leave enough room at one end so I can hold the decal with tweezers.
If you can grip the clear part of the decal with the tweezers and hold the decal in place , then slide the paper out from underneath keeping the decal where you want it.
You do have a small amount of time to slightly move the decal, but not much time.
I don't think there is anybody here that has not messed up several decals before they got it right.

If you can take a part of the decal sheet [that has some sort of writing on it] that you are not going to use ,,,, and practice with it on another piece of wood.

https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... ide+decals
You can get some good information at these links.
Dan in Calgary


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Sun 24, 2020 9:20 pm 
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Thanks Dan, the instruction from Radio Daze say to soak the decal in lukewarm water for 5 seconds only. All the instructions on line say to soak the decals for 30-60 seconds, why such a wide discrepancy?


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Sun 24, 2020 9:28 pm 
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Here are the instructions, what do they mean "let it stand for 20-30 seconds".


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Sun 24, 2020 10:44 pm 
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I usually let it soak for about 10 to 15 seconds, until the decal starts to leave the paper..
It might be different with different makers of decals, but with Radio Daze decals ,it is until the decal starts to come off.
Be careful not to loose the decal in the water.
Dan in Calgary


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Mon 25, 2020 3:15 am 
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Hello upsss,
here is what I like using


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Mon 25, 2020 8:57 am 
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The above lacquer may be excellent but why use something that you didn't use to spray the cabinet with? It just adds another possibility for incompatibility.

I use Mohawk cellulose lacquer to finish the cabinet and when fully dry add the decals and then use the same Mohawk again to overspray with.

Gary


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: May Tue 26, 2020 2:30 pm 
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I had problems with Radio Daze decals at first. I found if I follow there instructions to the letter, everything went prefect.
I tried Wipe-on-Poly on a small 60's RCA cabinet and it came out beautiful. Real smooth and shiny.
I would never use it on and older cabinet. It's to much In Your Face shiny.

Freeman


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 Post subject: Re: Waterslide Decals and Clear coat
PostPosted: Jun Mon 15, 2020 4:45 pm 
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Here is my finished "Boomerang" Zenith cabinet with the new decal.


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