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 Post subject: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Wed 21, 2021 10:51 pm 
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Hi Guy's

Need some help and some ideas here.
I am new to veneering and have this old
barn find Sentinel 6946s cabinet, The old
cabinet is all torn apart, am using parts to
re make a whole new cabinet.
I've looked everywhere to find this model with
this style cabinet.
Can someone tell me what type wood veneer to
order? Can I attach the veneer with white wood glue?
Also, how do you do a 90 degree corner, where the two
seems meet?
Thanks, here is a pic of the old cabinet.
Gary


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Thu 22, 2021 1:13 am 
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I did a similar project almost exactly 1 year ago. Also my first time using veneer. So I'm not an expert, but, I think I had good results. Felt good to save a radio that was otherwise trashed.

I used just regular veneer (just wood) using the correct wood type for the radio. Also I used hot hide glue to put things together. I know there are other methods - I wanted to try the traditional old way.

For putting two pieces together I used veneer tape. The tape holds the veneer pieces together tightly so you can glue the larger piece down, then you remove the tape.

I was remaking all of the flat panels so I could glue the veneer on oversized and then trim to size using a sharp blade after the glue set. This made my project much easier since all of the panels were flat.

I made a post in the forums regarding my project - don't know if that would help any or not.

I'm sure others have much more experience. That's what I did for my first attempt at a veneer project.

Interest project to learn how to do new skills.

Brian


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Thu 22, 2021 5:37 pm 
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Thanks Brian, Would love to read your thread.
I'm all done with the rough part of the cabinet.
Don't know where would be the best place to get
the veneer or what kind of wood to use, Birch, Cherry?

Gary


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Thu 22, 2021 6:10 pm 
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Here is where I am so far...
Have been working on the electricial parts,
The cap's and resistors just come in the mail
today..

Gary


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Thu 22, 2021 11:27 pm 
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The original veneer definitely wasn't birch or cherry. The common veneers at this time were quarter sawn, rift sawn, and rotary cut walnut, butt walnut, Australian laurel wood, and Carpathian elm. The sides may have been un-veneered furniture-grade plywood, probably of gumwood.

If you could send some photos of the original veneers moistened with solvent, I could help identify them.


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Thu 22, 2021 11:31 pm 
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I'm 95% sure the front is largely or entirely walnut. If the grain is very tight and straight, it is quarter sawn; if it is hard, smooth, swirly, and gradually undulating with no clear direction, it is butt walnut, if it has strong grain in curved shapes it is spun or cathedral cut.


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Fri 23, 2021 12:36 am 
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Here is a link (maybe this will work) to my project post:
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I was really lucky that only the flat panel parts were ruined. Looks like you have a very similar project. The finished result will be very rewarding with many skills learned/refined. Now that I am thinking about it, this was actually the first radio cabinet I had ever refinished - I apparently like to start with a challenge.

Don't know if I can help with the wood types. You probably would need to post close up photos of the original wood for someone to identify as has already been suggested.

Maybe some helpful information is contained in my old project post.

Brian


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Fri 23, 2021 6:46 pm 
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Ok, here are some pictures of the original
front and side...Hope this help's.

Brian, your thread was a great read!
And your Stewart Warner is an A++ Very nice indeed!
Hope mine turns out half that nice.

Gary


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Fri 23, 2021 7:22 pm 
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The front is quarter dawn walnut. Try finding a variety other than black walnut, which will work but will be a little too dark.

I can’t see the grain on the side pieces. I suspect it is that unveneered plywood I mentioned. Are the outer plies the same thickness as the inner plies? If so, it is plywood. Just stain whatever wood you are making it out of to match, provided there are no major knots. It was not a surface much effort was originally spent on.


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Sat 24, 2021 3:01 am 
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Your side panels look almost exactly like my project where the veneer fell off of the plywood on the sides. The base plywood looked similar to your side photo.

Yes and the veneer joint in the middle is exactly what I was referring to using the veneer tape to hold the two pieces together so you can glue the larger piece down to the plywood. Veneer tape is paper and you put it on wet (also wet it to remove it once the veneer is glued down) to join the pieces together. As it drys, it makes the seam nice and tight. You can look up the methods on youtube and internet (probably this forum as well) - that's what I did last year. I'm assuming you want to use new veneer for the project. I'm not sure how to fix the original.

That radio is hard to find photos of on the internet - would be nice to find a photo of another radio like it to see what the sides were like.

Your progress looks almost identical to the process I went through on my rebuild. I'm sure your project will go well.


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Apr Sat 24, 2021 10:57 pm 
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I was thinking about African Mahogany, 24"X32" @$24.99?
https://www.rockler.com/allwood-two-ply ... -x-32-inch
What do you guy's think?

Gary


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Jun Mon 14, 2021 11:08 pm 
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Ok guy's, here is an update on that Sentinel 6946
basket case radio I saved from the dumpster...
The set is playing :D My 32vdc PS seems to be working good.
Speaker has some rattling, but I think I can fix that.
Now, here is the bad news, I have the cabinet rebuilt, and It don't
look the best as far as the finishing part goes. I used walnut veneer
to recover the cabinet. Then I used Constines walnut grain filler to
fill in the wood grain. But everywhere I had to use some wood fillers it
didn't cover up right :evil: I never intended this set to be a shelf queen
because my refinishing skills are not the best...
Could someone tell me how to fix this mess? without me getting a can of black
spray paint :cry:
Thank's for any advice,
Gary


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 Post subject: Re: Cabinet Re-build
PostPosted: Jun Tue 15, 2021 1:01 am 
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Don't give up.


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