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 Post subject: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Aug Mon 23, 2021 10:03 pm 
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I guess I’ll start this thread for any cabinet questions I might run into about the set that’s on the bench now. It’s a Zenith 9S244 which has been antiqued.

So far I’ve been using the heat gun and scraper on the cabinet, and paint stripper / steel wool on the knobs, to good effect. But I have to fix this too.

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At least two layers of paint - both the blue and the gold are paint. The unpainted escutcheon under the knobs is the usual properly antiqued brass.

Heat gun on this? Or chemicals? What do you think?

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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Aug Tue 24, 2021 9:48 pm 
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Paul Dietenberger wrote:
I guess I’ll start this thread for any cabinet questions I might run into about the set that’s on the bench now. It’s a Zenith 9S244 which has been antiqued.

So far I’ve been using the heat gun and scraper on the cabinet, and paint stripper / steel wool on the knobs, to good effect. But I have to fix this too.

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At least two layers of paint - both the blue and the gold are paint. The unpainted escutcheon under the knobs is the usual properly antiqued brass.

Heat gun on this? Or chemicals? What do you think?

Thanks



I think if you pay shipping I will send you one.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Aug Wed 25, 2021 5:16 am 
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Appreciate that but it looks like I won't need it. I found a procedure on the internet. Simmer the brass piece in hot (not boiling) water for 6 hours or so and then plunge it into ice water for 5 minutes.

When I picked it out of the ice water, all the paint had fallen off. I wish I could do this with the cabinet and knobs :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Aug Thu 26, 2021 3:03 am 
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I’d be interested in seeing how this radio turns out and how you resolve any issues along the way. It would make for a very striking before and after comparison.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Aug Thu 26, 2021 4:59 am 
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Paul Dietenberger wrote:
Appreciate that but it looks like I won't need it. I found a procedure on the internet. Simmer the brass piece in hot (not boiling) water for 6 hours or so and then plunge it into ice water for 5 minutes.

When I picked it out of the ice water, all the paint had fallen off. I wish I could do this with the cabinet and knobs :lol:


Though it did work 6 hours seems a bit excessive, especially if the thermal shock is what is removing the paint. The heat itself would make it lift anyhow, by the way don't try this trick on die cast zinc alloys, you could crack them. Hot vinegar works well on removing it from brass or steel.
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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Aug Thu 26, 2021 5:48 am 
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hello Paul,
I have a couple pieces of furniture someone painted too .
I will have to remember that trick when first joined this website one my first restorations was my Philco 610B which was painted white .

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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Aug Thu 26, 2021 5:51 am 
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I assume the 6 hours was meant to ensure success on things like 100-year-old brass door and window hardware which could have had many coats of ancient paint on them.

So far so good on the rest of the stripping. The inside cabinet is done, after dealing with the stupidest problem I have ever seen. I had been trying to decide which grille cloth (block vs wave) to use, settled on block, and placed the order with Radio Daze (which, I was gratified to learn, they filled today.) That wasn’t the problem. I found today that I’d made the right choice, because when I removed the ‘50s-Formica-style cloth that had been installed, I found the original cloth was still there. It was block. That also wasn’t the problem. The problem was that the previous owner had painted the original grille cloth with the same goddamn mint green paint. Apparently they then didn’t like the look and covered it with the different cloth.

I am going to mention at this time that painted grille cloth is annoyingly difficult to remove.

Anyway, the outside cabinet is started. Found a gouge in the softwood ribs on top, easy to fill. No veneer problems yet.

I also cleaned the chassis, put some new power filter caps in, did some resistance checks, fired it up on the variac, and can get stations no problem. Good deal, though I do have an order in for new belts. I’ll replace those but otherwise that can wait. So far so good.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Thu 02, 2021 6:04 pm 
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So I’m trying to decide what to do about the inner cabinet of this radio. It has an unveneered panel that the grille cloth attaches to:

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I had to use stripper and 60 grit paper to get the painted grille cloth off of this, and now it is bare. I have to glue the grille cloth to this.

Should I finish the panel first, and if so, with what? I tend to use spray adhesive to fix the grille cloth in place.

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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Thu 02, 2021 8:31 pm 
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For the inner frame, I disassembled it and glued it back together with epoxy (as the joints failed on mine), added two thin reinforcing beams on each side of the veneered panel (to prevent sagging), removed the grill cloth, and then lacquered the whole thing to seal the wood. I then used rubber cement to attach the grill cloth at the edges.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Thu 02, 2021 8:32 pm 
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Make sure your cabinet has a peg in the inside to align the inner frame. It had broken off on mine and needed to be replaced.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Thu 02, 2021 9:15 pm 
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Lacquer? Okay. Had not tried rubber cement.

I see no peg to align the two cabinets together; there are two sturdy dowels that help support the weight of the chassis but that's all I noticed. The only alignment I'd have is to make sure the screw holes line up where the two cabinets are connected to each other. I do notice there is a hole in the top of the inner cabinet that looks like a peg would want to go through it, if that's what you meant


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Thu 02, 2021 11:33 pm 
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Yes, that’s what I’m referring to.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Fri 03, 2021 12:07 am 
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Ah. I looked and I still have mine. Glad you told me or else I might have broken it off accidentally myself

This outer cabinet is a right nuisance to strip paint off of. The antiquing paint appears to be three layers and there are so many tight inside corners.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Fri 03, 2021 3:25 am 
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I had to strip paint off of this chairside—also quite a pain as you can imagine.

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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Fri 03, 2021 11:12 pm 
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Well, after roughly twelve hours of my time this week, a quart of paint stripper, a half gallon of lacquer thinner, a whole bag of #3 steel wool, a roll of shop towels, two brushes, two scrapers, a dental pick, and a partridge in a pear tree, here’s where we are so far.

so many little trim edges covered in paint… :?

Final cleanup and damage repair sometime in the future when my shoulders stop aching.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
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to get an idea of how it will look with a finish, wipe it with paint thinner. It wets the surface and will evaporate quickly with no residue. This process may reveal areas that need a bit more work before finish ia applied.

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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Sat 04, 2021 6:26 am 
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Oh I’m sure there are such areas. That will help find them


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Mon 06, 2021 9:21 pm 
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Here we are after the first round of grain filling and color. This is Varathane gel stain, red mahogany and dark walnut mixed 50/50. It made a very pleasing color but still pretty blotchy on the white wood portions even with pre-stain conditioner. This has to dry for awhile, I’ll see if I can touch it up with the stain but I have Mohawk tone finish in medium dark walnut coming too to help even things out a bit more. Thinking to use a shellac spray for sealing after this stain cures.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Mon 06, 2021 9:30 pm 
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It's starting to look beautiful again.


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 Post subject: Re: Painted Zenith chairside restore
PostPosted: Sep Wed 15, 2021 7:20 pm 
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Well.
How it started:

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How it was going:

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How it ended up:

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I put it together in the basement, where there are not many places with enough lighting for a good photo, and I'm not hauling this heavy thing back upstairs for a photo shoot. In any case, there are more touchups and fixes to do over the next few days or whatever, couple spots that need the fill stick, but I'm not planning to do major work on it anymore. Been fixing color all this while, ran through a rattle can and a half of Watco gloss the other day, rubbed it out and reassembled last night, Briwax this morning. The chassis brought no unexpected issues and operates as well as it ever did. I'm reasonably happy with it.


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