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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 3:38 am 
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Excuse my typos


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 3:48 am 
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Is there a way to adjust the turn table do it is level? ?


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 3:50 am 
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Look at the entire turntable assembly from the edge. Is the round table portion parallel to the top of the base unit.

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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 4:00 am 
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That is the wrong stylus for that model cartridge. I think the correct one is a 897.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 4:35 am 
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Ok, it looks to me that the turn table itself is uneven.


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 Post subject: Re: Clips Holding Turn Table
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 4:51 am 
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I could be wrong on this , but shouldn't there be a tapered spring that sits in the hole that the clip goes through. The turntable would sit on the spring?
Dan in Calgary.


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 Post subject: Re: Clips Holding Turn Table
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 5:05 am 
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Here’s a photo from underneath


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 Post subject: Re: Clips Holding Turn Table
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 5:06 am 
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chaz wrote:
I could be wrong on this , but shouldn't there be a tapered spring that sits in the hole that the clip goes through. The turntable would sit on the spring?
Dan in Calgary.

On a lot of units, the smaller diameter end of the spring is fixed to the underside of the metal turntable base with the wide end resting on the mounting board so you wouldn't see it from the bottom. Usually the screw whose end you see in the OP's picture, has a left-handed thread so that when you want to prepare the turntable for transport, you turn the screws counterclockwise which draws the metal base down to the mounting board.
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 Post subject: Re: Clips Holding Turn Table
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 5:16 am 
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Yes , you are right John. I was looking at it from the wrong side.
Dan in Calgary


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 Post subject: Re: Clips Holding Turn Table
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 5:46 am 
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Sharrier wrote:
Thank you very much, I can rule that out now, check. So with the records skimming the side of the player would you think most likely the turn table mat would be the problem or the turn table itself not sitting level?


Skimming the side of the CABINET or the record changer deck itself? Show what you mean.
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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 6:25 am 
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Combined the two turntable topics into one thread, which belongs in Phonographs, not Antique Radio Discussions.

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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 6:46 am 
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Bob, I’m not sure exactly how to combine the two, I apologize. I will take better notice next time being new.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 3:27 pm 
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1. Regarding platter mat:
You can rule out the mat as causing the record rubbing by
removing the platter and carefully peeling the mat off the platter.
It is glued on. Then you can re-glue it, flattening out the mat bulge.

Edit: The platter is held in place usually by a C-clip fitting over
a circular groove in the lower part of the record spindle.
It can be pried loose with a small flat edge screwdriver.

Put the platter on a box that will allow the bottom drive gear
to sit clear. Put a couple of books on top of platter/mat and let
glue dry.

2. While the platter is off, inspect down at the bottom of the
spindle to ensure that the bearings and bearing thrust washers
are all in place.

If this Voice of Music made record changer has not been serviced,
it will need a dis-assembly and very good cleaning to ensure all cycling
functions work. After that, it will work for years to come.

Also, motor should be taken apart, cleaned, bearing housings'
oil wicks cleaned, and new rubber motor mount bushings installed.

Best,
Hotwax


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 7:21 pm 
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Sharrier, there is no need to rush your replies. This probably will not all be fixed in a day.
Looks to me like the record is setting too low, to the point it might be rubbing against the changer deck. The records sets on the mat which sets on the circular rotating "platter". The platter has a central shaft that is mounted to the "deck". Most of the mechanical items are attached to the deck. The deck sits on three or four springs that in turn set on the cabinet board. There may be rubber or foam plastic items that have softened or collapsed and in doing so caused the platter to be sitting too low. The rubbing might also be due to the platter bearing being bent out of alignment with the platter, someone might have dropped something on the platter. It could also be due to the mat not sitting flat.
The tone arm not tracking the record groove might be due to many things. As Hotwax said, changers usually need to be cleaned of 50 year old grease and re-lubed. The tonearm pivot might be binding. It could be a matter of the set-down adjustment needing to be corrected. Those adjustments don't get wrong by themselves however, stiff grease or worn parts might be the root cause.
Does the stylus protrude far enough out from the tonearm? It doesn't look like it is setting straight.

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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 9:24 pm 
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I am sorry, I looked again and that is the correct stylus (I was tired last night!), but it does not look like it is seating properly. Do you have the retaining spring locked on to the stylus shaft? That spring forces and holds the assembly into the correct position.

As to the mat, they sometimes warp from storage conditions and sometimes can be re-glued, other times they must be replaced.
The voiceofmusic has the replacement mats. The turntable looks to be the proper height, those later models had that high trim piece on the front edge that makes it look low.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 9:27 pm 
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The bulge in the mat will cause the record to scrape that high trim piece in the front.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 10:02 pm 
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If tear the mat off, seems like I’d ruin it, but what kind of glue do I use and where to get it? It’s only loosened off up by the spindle. I’d rather just put glue in that area by sticking some in with a q-tip if that would work.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Thu 14, 2019 10:44 pm 
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One more thing referring to Orthophonic. The spring locked? Please tell me how to lock the spring? I’m not seeing a way to do that.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Fri 15, 2019 12:09 am 
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The spring is there, I couldn't see it in your previous pictures and would cause lots of problems if not there.

Locked means the spring is locked on the shaft before you attach the stylus selector knob on top.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn Table Issue
PostPosted: Feb Fri 15, 2019 12:19 am 
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It all looks good from that picture, in a previous picture it didn't look seated. Sometimes you need to push the stylus selector
down a couple of times (but not turn it) and let it spring up until the stylus is seated properly.


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