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 Post subject: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Wed 24, 2019 9:15 pm 
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Good afternoon,

I hope all is well. I just got a Magnavox Console and I am wondering how to get the sound working on the record player. The speakers work when it is set to AM or FM radio. When I set the needle on the record i can hear the music playing faintly but it does not get to the speakers.

Also need help identifying the model and/or year. It is a Magnavox Micromatic Record player. The model number seems to be wiped off the back. Since it has AM and FM radio I am assuming that means the oldest it could be is the 60s. I can post pictures later tonight if that helps. Thanks for all your help!


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Thu 25, 2019 1:57 am 
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Here are some pictures of it


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Thu 25, 2019 5:44 am 
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You will probably need a new cartridge and needle.


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Thu 25, 2019 12:37 pm 
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1963 model 1-ST630 rated at 30 watts. The turntable is of the W602-W608 series. I believe they all take the same cartridge.

You might find more info on the Vintage Hi-Fi forum. You have to join to download but it's free.

http://vintagehifi.net/index.php

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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Thu 25, 2019 2:01 pm 
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Yes you will need a new cartridge.

The feathertouch uses a certain one but I cant remember which.

Pop out the old one and get the number. Then go to Thevoiceofmusic.com and grab one.

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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Thu 25, 2019 2:48 pm 
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some Magnavox have mute switches in cartirdge phono line. it will look a small box and it might actually be under the platter itself.


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Thu 25, 2019 3:07 pm 
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I would add that since this is most likely a vacuum tube
circuit, that basic electrical restoration needs to be done.


If this has not been done, we recommend to not power
up the console until restoration effected.


The main concern would be replacing the original
electrolytic and wax/paper capacitors.

Checking resistors to be within specifications, also.

Failure to do so may result in significant and costly
damage to the amplifier and radio circuits.


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Thu 25, 2019 3:14 pm 
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I agree with Hotwax. Since this is probably a tube set it may not need a new cartridge, it could easily be something else.

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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Thu 25, 2019 8:32 pm 
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According to the catalog it's SS and since the radio plays fine and he hears a faint sound from the cartridge then the first place to look is the cartridge.

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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Fri 26, 2019 12:25 am 
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Looking at the control panel, this is the last of the tube sets. I have the same Danish modern console and it sings like a bird. Contrary to the catalog, mine does not have horn tweeters. It has a 3-way speaker system, and push-pull 6BQ5's for each side.


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: Apr Fri 26, 2019 2:12 am 
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You are correct, it's right from the changeover point in production. The 1962 (tube) was model 1-ST621 but in the catalog it shows the two outside knobs as being round. In 1963 they changed to straight knobs which this one has so it appears to be among the last of the 62 tube chassis in a 63 cabinet.

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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: May Wed 01, 2019 2:02 am 
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Thank you everyone! The passion and information is outstanding! I found a cartridge in the record storage area when cleaning it out it has Astatic 461 on it. I took the old cartridge out and it has Astatic Model 461 stamped on it. I figured it was the same but when I went to replace it the new one had 3 pins on it while the old one had 4. There is no diagram on the box or markings on the pins and I cannot find anything online. Would anyone have any idea where the wires connect. Also the connections are very loose and would fall off any way if I knew where they would go. Would you recommend cutting the wire back and adding crimp connectors? If so, is there any specific connectors to look for and would you recommend heat shrink. I have added pictures of both Cartridges. The old one first. Thanks for all your help


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: May Wed 01, 2019 3:39 am 
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Jaredhot wrote:
I found a cartridge in the record storage area when
cleaning it out it has Astatic 461 on it. I took the old cartridge out and it has
Astatic Model 461 stamped on it. I figured it was the same but when I went
to replace it the new one had 3 pins on it while the old one had 4.
There is no diagram on the box or markings on the pins and I cannot find anything online.
Would anyone have any idea where the wires connect.

If this is a three pin cartridge, convention would indicate that the two
outside pins are for R/L stereo channels, with the middle pin being
a common ground.

Can you post some photos of the cartridge wiring in the tonearm
as it exists ?

Phono cartridge connectors available here :
http://thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/cart ... nstall.asp

Hotwax


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: May Wed 01, 2019 4:19 am 
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Just buy the complete kit
http://www.thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/ ... %20Bracket

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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: May Wed 01, 2019 1:21 pm 
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Here is the wiring inside the tone arm


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: May Wed 01, 2019 2:49 pm 
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Good photos !

Re: tonearm stereo and ground lead wires.

The stereo cables are called shielded leads.
The outside braided wire would be the ground leads.
The plastic/cloth insulated wires would be R/L stereo leads.

You can trim off some of the insulation on the stereo
leads, then put selector switch to "phono".
Touching each of the stereo leads with screwdriver should
give a buzz in each channel.

The kit Kirk mentions may be the way to do, if you are
handy with tools.

Please consider the electronic servicing I mentioned
earlier.
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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: May Fri 03, 2019 3:48 am 
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Thanks Hotwax for your info and suggestions. Who should I look for in town to do restore work like that? Is there a certain directory to look at? What would work like that typically run? From what I have been reading the tube consoles are a lot more desirable than the SS ones. Is that true? What would a unit like this be worth after restoration?


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 Post subject: Re: Magnavox Console Record Player Issue No Sound
PostPosted: May Fri 03, 2019 4:10 am 
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For the Magnavox electronic service, search for a vintage radio club in your area.
There are no set service rates. Sometimes people will
help for free. Circuit schematics can be had for free, and there's
a good Magnavox aficionado forum for questions to be answered.

As far as more "desirable" (Tube vs Solid State),
to me depends on how well a component such as
a phono amplifier is manufactured.
That is, how good does something sound.

Vacuum tube units were manufactured in a certain cultural
time with discreet designs that people like about
mid-century modern.

The value of a restored hi-fi depends on a buyer.
That buyer has a million reasons for wanting a hi-fi.
Many times they have no knowledge and thus no
appreciation for the investment in restoring a vintage
era hi-fi.
But, the investment done with a competent repair
person, will last many years to come.

What always sells my record players is their sound
and appearance.
Thus, I endeavor with a friend of mine to do the correct
electronic & record changer restoration,
along with making the cabinet as attractive as possible.

I would bet most of us here primarily enjoy the process of
rejuvenating these players. Then to look for a good
home, where the players will be taken care of, and played
regularly.
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