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 Post subject: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Aug Sat 28, 2021 8:35 pm 
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I picked up a RCA console called the villanova model with the 150 watt amplifier ...the turntable is missing , according to the paperwork , it had the studiomatic with the strobe ... I know I will never find one of these .. and of course RCA's mount from the top ... I have a bunch of BSR's but I would like to put something in that does not look cheap... any suggestions on what won't take a bunch of cutting and will look decent in the case?
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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Aug Sat 28, 2021 8:56 pm 
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Garrard

This one actually uses a magnetic cart and I believe a 4 pole motor

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284426936225?h ... SwM11g8Yp0


https://www.ebay.com/itm/383574504993?h ... Sw131eryXF

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133856651800?h ... Sw7yJhIrSo


Magnavox

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265286168022?h ... SwEtFhJ-FP


This would probably look the best but with the problems rebuilding them, and the cartridge situation. They sure sound nice though and track like a bear.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313642879252?h ... SwGtlhHSfU


Motorola

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274823735425?h ... SwsdNgvBgD


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Aug Sat 28, 2021 9:39 pm 
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Yes I have been looking at the garrard's ... trying to keep with the look it had in 68 ... and garrard seems to be the closest ..., I just know the minute I cut the deck for a different TT someone will say they got a studiomatic ... that is about my luck :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Aug Sun 29, 2021 12:33 am 
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Those Studiomatics show up on Ebay now and then.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Aug Sun 29, 2021 5:37 pm 
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sad part is I did find one with the strobe about 20 miles away... it was in a portable player which I thought was odd , but the portable was in pieces and not together, so it looked like someone was just collecting pieces to put it back together , lady was asking 95 bucks for all of it... I offered her 50 just for the TT and told her she could trash the rest ... she told me it was worth way more and the 95 she was asking and it was the lowest she would take ... I wished her luck...


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Aug Sun 29, 2021 7:29 pm 
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You never know, another RCA changer might show up unexpectedly.

But all in all, the Garrard of that era is a much better changer mechanically. You'd actually be improving the set to install one.

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PostPosted: Aug Sun 29, 2021 9:53 pm 
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Agree, imo Garrard was the best built of moderately price changers of the era and parts are easy to find. The next step up would be a Dual or Benjamin Miracord as often found in some considerably more expensive Fisher consoles. Garrard AT-6/60/60Mk2 variants are always a good affordable and solid choice.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Aug Mon 30, 2021 4:19 pm 
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I really never understood what was so great about the studiomatics with their floating cartridge... I had one in a RCA theatre years ago and it tracked at 7.5 grams ... because the whole weight of the arm is on the record... the cart maybe will float around 4 grams , but the total weight is dragging on that record with that little felt square pad ...I think cheapo crosley cruisers track less than that...


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Aug Mon 30, 2021 5:49 pm 
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In those days 7.5 grams tracking weight on a changer was not considered to be a bad thing for a consumer product. While it's not the best thing for the records, it's a vast improvement over stuff from a decade or two earlier that often tracked in ounces, not grams.

You'd be fortunate to be able to get the Garrard suggested to track at anything less than about 3 or 4 grams and cycle properly at the end of the record. Best I've ever been able to accomplish is with a high end Garrard SL-95 and only for manual play, at around .75 gram to 1.5 grams. For reliable operation on automatic, it needs to be at 1.5 or higher.

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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Sep Wed 01, 2021 10:17 pm 
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If you want 1.5 to 2 grams you need to move up to a Dual or Garrard Lab 80 or similar.
I've run 2g on my Dual 1009/Shure M95ED for decades.

Interestingly in Canada RCA offered a whole range of optional turntables in some late '60s consoles, along with amp/tuner options as well (see ad) while in the US only RCA Studiomatic changer was fitted. It'd be interesting to know why only Canada got much better choices.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Sep Thu 02, 2021 2:33 am 
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Could you use one like this?

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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
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is it a 4 speed?, can't tell in the picture...I have one in my small GE table top console and it works flawlessly ... I am not worried about the tracking weight ... everything in the 60's tracked between 2 to 6 grams without damage to records my magnavox tracks a 5.5 grams


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
PostPosted: Sep Thu 02, 2021 6:44 pm 
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Mr. Detrola wrote:
In those days 7.5 grams tracking weight on a changer was not considered to be a bad thing for a consumer product.


7.5 grams is too heavy for stereo records. I believe that even the cheapest Sears stereo consoles tracked lighter than that. Magnavox advertised 1/10 of an ounce starting in the early 1960s, and of course Zenith had their "2G" cartridge. Even in 1958, the EV-26 cartridge, used by many makes in the early days of stereo, tracked at 5 grams.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
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Those RCA Studiomatics tracked at 4 grams, the only weight on the grooves was the weight of the cartridge that floated in the headshell.
The weight of the tonearm was between 7 and 8 grams and a felt pad at the tip of the headshell
rode on the grooves at that weight (to clear dust ahead of stylus) and did no harm to the record.


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 Post subject: Re: RCA TT replacement suggestions?
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Bones007 wrote:
is it a 4 speed?, can't tell in the picture...

1965 Garrard model 50 (w/changer spindle), 4-speed, Realistic R47EB cartridge, Shure RS E stylus.

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